NEW GAME MAKER LOGO !!!
I’m absolutely delighted to be able to announce the new logo for Game Maker. It took a bit of time before we settled on a final choice but we wanted a logo that was modern, clean and that reflected the fun and excitement that we feel is there for poeple who MAKE as well as PLAY games. It’s a compete break with the theme of teh old logo and is intended to take us forward into what we think will be a very exciting few years for YoYo Games and Game Maker !!
The winning entry was submitted by ALBERT ZAK who wins the $250 first prize.
Albert lives in Vienna, Austria and has been using Game Maker for almost 5 years. Albert is a big technology fan and wants to be a Game Developer when he leaves college. Please join me in congratulating Albert and thanking ALL of you who submitted so many fantastic designs to the competition. We’ll send out messages to the 4 runners up separately who will all win a free copy of Game Maker 7 Pro (and Game Maker 8 Pro when it’s released).
We’ve replaced the main advertising slot with the new logo and here is another version of the logo including the Game Maker Text.
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November 27th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
This logo is great! Good work, Albert Zak! And Houra to game Maker 8!
November 27th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
well it’s nice but not my choice of logo.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Congratulations. Never using Game Maker again.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Or, I could just edit the Game Maker exe so it has the old icon.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Well i think it would have been nice to have kept the hammer but o well this one is cool too. Its really a good logo and I think it will fit gm8 perfect
November 27th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Are you joking? It’s… really bad. What does a generic smiley face have to do with game maker..?
November 27th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Do you just have horrible taste or was this actually the best you got?
November 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
i think it’s awesome, when can we expect the final?
November 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
You should have let the users vote, seriously. This is ridiculous.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
That is the most absolutely, stupid looking logo I have ever seen.
Is this a joke? I really hope so.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Is this a joke? Seriously the users don’t want this, and it makes gamemaker look so unprofessional, this is going to make the community decrease so bad all because of this stupid logo…
People do judge books by there covers you know.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I mean seriously… I think the original logo exceeds all the others in quality, but why choose this…
It makes me think that game maker is a stupid joke instead of a professional tool when I look at this logo :/
November 27th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
That’s about as unprofessional looking as you can get. Ah well, it’s not my program.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
HEY SANDY!!!
There is an inappropriate advertisement in your post.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Also, you call that ‘Modern, and Clean’. Smiley faces like that died in 2002. Gear designs are overly used, and have been so for many years.
Why the heck didn’t we get to vote on this. You guy’s at YoYo front like you care about the community, but you’re just another money loving corporation.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Everything else looks nice except the smiley, can’t you replace it with the old ball n hammer?
This IS ridiculous. Looks like I have to edit the shortcut icon for GM8 when it comes out. >.>
November 27th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
@Whaddsoft:
You’re “never using Game Maker again” because you don’t like the new logo? How ridiculous can you get?
I’m sure your arrogant character won’t be missed in the Game Maker community.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
@gordy @brod I didn’t ask you to vote on it for the obvious reason…….just read the first few posts…some love it, some hate it…that was inevitable. After the last Game Maker “logo” a picture of a Model T Ford would look modern !!
November 27th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Disgusting.
That smiley ruins it, it makes it look like it’s for 5 year old only knowing how to shoot a gun in games.
That smiley has to change to something else, or you should’ve kept/renovated the old logo.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
CONGRATULATION! YOU’RE FAILURE!
I can’t believe how stupid this looks. I swear that a image of puke with raw sewage spelling “game maker” would be 5 times as better than this piece of garbage.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
@sandy: oh come on, just take a look at the majority votes here. Hell, gamemakerblog even took the liberty of giving us the opportunity of voting, and 8% voted in favor of this.
(by the by, cogs and smileys are not modern)
November 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
@tuntis:
One does not have to use Game Maker to use the GMC
November 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
@tuntis..keep it clean please !! Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if I don’t agree with them
November 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
IS NOT AMMUSED.
Also I improved it: http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/jay712x/16X16.png?t=1259348692
November 27th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
@Tuntis: I also said, right below that post, “Or, I could just edit the Game Maker exe so it has the old icon.”
November 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
What the bloody hell is this? This is crap.
This is going to be a disgrace to my desktop ,Having this icon on my desktop is going to be embarrassing. :S
But really, A smiley inside a gear? This is shit. Not because of the quality of the graphics, They are awesome, But because of the content.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
(and yes, i registered *just* to say that)
November 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
@Jas0n: Congratulations, that actually looks a whole lot greater!
November 27th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Thank you, lol.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
im register just now, and yes, i registered as a last man just to say – its bul%%hit..mm, u know.
see indy.idhost.kz/logo/1.jpg for example…or 2.jpg
YYG, what a hell?
November 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
you know what? I’m glad you guys hate it, i don’t want the chance of talking to you arrogant snobs in the GMC, be lucky you get a game making program at all! do you know how many thousands of lines of codes it takes to write an amazing program like this?
November 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
This is the worst logo possible and im sure that many of GameMaker users have the same opinion as me.Why you choosed this horrible LoGo??Is this the best that youve got??Seriously you should reevaluate the logo and ask the users to,about the choose of the logo.Sorry but its horrible!!
November 27th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I hope that Duncan Donuts learns from all of this that the logo “sooks poopie” ~pinksnake
November 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
@aroymart: Arrogant snobs? Wait… we get to voice our opinions, and we are arrogant snobs? You’re worse than the dems.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
The gear and text makes for a professional looking logo. The absurd smiley in the middle took any chance at sleek looks and professionalism and shot it in the face. 1063 times.
The design is nice, but I would prefer if something else was inside the gear, (old logo…?)
I really hope that I don’t have a smiley face as the shortcut icon, otherwise I will be changing that… x_x”
The gear and hammer combo would work nicely…
November 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
@aroymart:
I have no problem with Game Maker at all. I love Game Maker. It is an amazing tool for creating games that would take weeks, in mere hours.
And I personally don’t really have a problem with that logo, since I’ll replace it quick.
But a logo like that can quickly ruin the image of Game Maker.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
@Whaddsoft im not always a nice person but i don’t go around telling people something they have worked on sucks, true arrogant was probably the wrong word but still.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
aroymart, yeah, gm is great, but new logo is sux!
November 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
This logo is just plain ridiculous.
Seriously, a SMILEY ? Two kinds of people use smileys on the internet : 10 year olds, and older people trying to sound trendy online.
Using one in the logo totally discredits GameMaker. It makes it look… just… out of place. “Hey cool game, how’d you make it ? …GameMaker ? That thing with the big yellow grin ? Oh.”
It’s not even a well-executed smiley. It looks like the Yahoo Messenger icon on crack. The way the eyes are revulsed makes it look simply obscene, and the unnecessarily huge mouth is grotesque. I also hate that radial gradient in the mouth.
The font looks neat, but… it feels more like what you’d see in a title banner for a blog than for a game development tool.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not attacking the maker of that logo, I’m sure he did his best with what he had. I’m criticizing Yoyogames choosing it.
It just doesn’t fit.
If you want a new logo, make it smart, make it pro, make it classy; make it artsy, even, but please don’t ruin the image of quality and seriousness that GameMaker managed to achieve over the years.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
@aroymart Keep it clean please….change is a hard thing for some poeple ….
November 27th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
fusionpro, good idea! smile->hammer, and may be it will better
November 27th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
why don’t you just add a function in the installation to pick your logo? that way these people will stop making fun of it, i personally would keep this one
November 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
and sorry sandy, i don’t like mean people
November 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
This logo really disturbs me. Sure, I can probably do something about it myself, but it has an aura telling me “This is not a serious program for making games.” The old hammer and ball felt very professional, having a serious look that made GM feel like a very reliable program.
A smiley, and in this case, a very ridiculous one, is really, really disturbing. No offense to the artist, he did a good job drawing, it’s just that the whole idea feels wrong.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
@Orteil:
I think you have perfectly got the point. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
@Sandy: Change is hard for some people, but remember:
YES WE CAN!
So change it back…NOW!
November 27th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
*Epic Facepalm*
November 27th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
@Orteil, 110% agreed.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
@jas0n… NO
November 27th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
@Sandy – I R SADFAEC NOW
November 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
@sandy, You’d better. I almost threw up from that crackface X.X
November 27th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
This is the end of Game Maker. I hope whoever chose it realizes what they have done. The logo speaks out, attracting ALL of the n00bish people who will only come, download a tutorial, change a few sprites, then call it theirs.
Those tutorial edits will choke out ALL of the good, non staff-picked games remaining on YYG.
Not only that, it will also turn down good game developers by it’s noobish appearance, and people who don’t use GM but have seen the logo will laugh at you when you say “I made a Game with Game Maker!” and they’ll say – “Ha, that weird thing with the pathetic smiley? I’m sure your game sucks.”
Thanks for killing GM.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Sandy, what r u doing? its not a mass panic about CHANGES, its a fact – smile is really bad!
November 27th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Everyone hates it, except for the die-hard suck-ups. So why don’t you just recolor the previous logo?
November 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Just registered to say how awful the new logo is.
@Splean, your logo is far superior and gets my vote.
http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg
November 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
You’re kidding me right…? I’m not saying I should have won, but I thought you would at least partially listen to community opinion. (http://gamemakerblog.com/2009/11/13/which-of-these-game-maker-8-logos-do-you-prefer/) I would have been more than happy with Crownover’s design, or even the childish green man. Sorry, I really hate sounding rude but I’m just VERY shocked by your selection. Best of luck with your choice YoYo, I hope it proves to be a valuable addition to Game Maker.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
“change is a hard thing for some poeple” – Sandy
I’m surprised at the way you are handling this. This is not simply a matter of a few people not liking change. Many people, (Myself included) wanted change. Looking at the poll on the gamemakerblog, this is overwhelmingly not the change that users wanted.
The image itself is not bad quality. And it’s not that I simple prefer logo A or C over this one. It’s a matter of maintaining a professional image for YoYoGames/Game Maker – of which a smiley-face is not. A smiley-face is a highly overused internet icon.
I understand that this is your choice, but I am afraid it is going to hurt the company.
-Elmernite
November 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
excuse me, suck-up?
November 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
You’re the 5th person to sign up to complain! lol
November 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I don’t really like flame wars, and don’t like to yell crap at other people’s good work.
That logo is actually a pretty good work.
But not for Game Maker.
It just does not fit it.
… and all this could have been avoided by allowing people to vote :/
November 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
@aroymart:
What? It isn’t a profanic phrase.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Wow! Yes, this logo is just cool! Look what the gradients in the title… And that smile?… It’s just wonderful!
The authors would like to say: you sucks! It looks like you even spit on people’s opinions! To note: this logo was the latest in voting.
Bye…
November 27th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
When I saw this on the forums I thought it was a joke. This makes me want to club 5 year olds with a teddybear. If gm8 uses this as an icon I am going to change it to a pentagram to improve it, I seriously think this will be the beginning of 2012.
I also registered just to say this
November 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I also just made this account to speak out against this horrid insult to Game Maker. I usually just read the Glog posts, but this made me sign up.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Same.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
I actually kinda like http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg but i still like this one
@jac0b i think i’m starting to agree with you about the suck up part
November 27th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
woof, after seeing some of the replies, I feel sorry for this Albert Zak person. Just a note, the quality is great, the design is terrible. You just need to practice your ideas, is all. Sorry for all the negative sludge you’re getting.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I vote for Splean’s logos. Or a variation of those.
Or he could just redo the old hammer and ball, only with that glossy modern feel. This way, you modernize your image without losing your roots and what got you there.
It’s basic graphic communication, dammit.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I have to agree mostly with the previous speakers. It’a a really well made logo, but it just seems not professional and is not really represantingthe game maker I know. Exept of that, I think the eyes of the smile should look to the viewer and not up in the air. I don’t if it really makes sense to discuss the design now, but I’m just not really happy with it, maybe you could try to convince A.Z. to do a few changes on the logo.
for all who don’t know anything about the previous discussion on the design, here’s a link: http://gamemakerblog.com/2009/11/13/which-of-these-game-maker-8-logos-do-you-prefer/
ps: Austria rules
November 27th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Someones making a petition website, maybe that will brink this thing down.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
I got my password to my email just because of this BTW I made my own version of the logo
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/hegemege/logo.png
November 27th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Nice logo. Are you hegegames?
November 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
@brod. …..this was never going to be easy…..none of this is a criticism of Albert….says a LOT about the passion of the current Game Maker community…a community that we should all want to grow ….
November 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
I think that makes me the 10000th person to sign up just to say this.
Normally, I would break into a rage, but im giving you a chance (I can’t belive I’m doing this)
I don’t want you, Sandy, the person whom used to be a game developer’s best friend to bring this horrendous curse upon Game Maker.
For the sake of your fans, for the sake of people’s friends who will laugh at them for using this, for your sake and for Game Maker’s, change the logo! Splean’s was A LOT better!
Please, Sandy, don’t do this to us.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
The passion of the current Game Maker community loves Game Maker. If we didn’t care about Game Maker, we wouldn’t care about how it looked, what other people thought about it etc.
The ones who hate it are the ones who care for Game Maker. We can’t have this happen to our favorite Game Development program!
November 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
it just occurred to me, someone said they just did this for the money, if they did don’t you think they would have just recolored the old one instead of giving $250 to someone for a logo?
November 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
We are going to make a petition, Sandy, then you’ll see how much of us want this logo DEAD
November 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
@Elmzran I’d refer to it as an engine.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
guys, is not my logo, but I’m glad that you liked it
November 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
No joke: I looked a again and threw up in a bucket.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
(I looked at the new logo)
November 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
(Not someone elses)
November 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
@sandy: well, I’ve said all I apparently can. Besides, all the new complaints rushing in pretty much explain mine’s. Hopefully you’ll have a change of heart. (You can still give him the money, lol)
November 27th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Dang, this keyboard sucks.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Sorry, Game Development Engine*
Sandy, I don’t know if you chose the logo or if somebody else did… but whoever did needs to pick another logo.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
http://www.evayr.com/images/RIPGameMaker.png
November 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
sign this petition
November 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Seriously though, Sandy, do you want this wonderful site to turn into a thriving community of n00bs trying to impress their friends by downloading tutorials.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
@Evayr: that’s great.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Yeah, seriously.
Also just for those who missed my petition link: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Yeah, lol.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
@jas0n: It’s because no-one wants to sign up
November 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
>.> Fine, I guess I’ll make another one.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Nice name GM8LogoSucks. “I can feel you man!”
PS:
http://www.evayr.com/images/RIPGameMaker.png
November 27th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
You don’t really have to sign up, just add what you want to say, and click register. It registers you instantly through what you said.
Sign Jas0n’s petition now everyone!
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
(BTW I meant to the site, not the petition)
November 27th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
This “thing” represents astonishing example of how should pathetic logo look like…
This must and shall die with all its beauty!
Die!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Everyone! Sign the petition! (and join Elmzrans site)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
100th comment to say how much the GM8 Logog sucks!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
*Logo
November 27th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
A sign on this is a step closer to the destruction of this horrible abomination:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Come on, Sandy, we’re waiting for you to respond.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Go with hegemege’s logo. The cog is fine, the text is fine, but the smiley face… (gags, runs upstairs, gets shotgun, obliterates either self or computer)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Heheh, joining my site would be nice
But, it’s more important to preserve Game Makers Proportionality right now.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Yeah, I just signed it as “The Vince of Awesome”.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I would laugh if Sandy signed this himself:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
30 signs in 10 minutes
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Awesome. I hope Sandy is repeatedly refreshing the page, watching this…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
My comment is awaiting moderation?!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
What does that mean?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Sandy… We are waiting an answer. And we expect one now!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
We hit…85? There’s a glitch…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
@jas0n: No idea
November 27th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Why does the petition have photos of telescopes on instead of maybe the logo and perhaps showcasing some other logo possibilities?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
@jas0n I voted… wasn’t very democratic though…there wasn’t an option to disagree
@Small Child.. I’m watching… will continue to do so for several days/weeks.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
…well, we’re at 41. Somehow, it said “85″ for a little there…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
@Hello Darren: Yeah, that would be nice.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I wish Sandy would reply, ten i wouldn’t go to bed with worries about that thing (the logo for those who haven’t worked it out)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
@sandy: did you see hedgemedge (or however it’s spelled)’s logo?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
@Hello Darren I tried to vote against the telescope, but it wouldn’t let me, apparently you can only vote one way.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
We’re almost at 50… also, I feel I may have hurt Sandy’s feelings (this is not sarcastic).
Crap.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
@sandy, please, comment, why u think that logo with smile better than http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg for example?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Just registered at the glog! Here to say how horrible this icon is! This will drag GM to the backwaters of the internet. “Hey, cool game, how did you make it?” “Game Maker” “What, the retarded smiley face?”
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
@Small Child You certainly have not hurt my feelings !!!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
But how about our feelings?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
We hit 50…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
@sandy
Okay, good. Sorry about that.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
If you disagree, you don’t sign. >.>
November 27th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I can’t help noticing how Sandy wont reply to me. Do you want your beloved site to become a dominion owned by noobs.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Wow.
This is pretty awful.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
@GM8LogoSucks He did reply
November 27th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
It’s glitchy. Were actually around 50.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
OMG I think I will go to bed (soon) having nightmares of a logo with a hammer in it !! Em last time I saw a logo with a hammer it was the Soviet Union or…was it Game Maker… ?? Maybe I’m not up to date with the 1960′s ??
November 27th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
This is rapidly becoming the most-discussed thing in YYG history! (Kinda small, though, isn’t it??)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
@Frankosh: Not to me.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Seriously sandy, you don’t have to go on a rampage…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Keep it up people: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Anyway, Sandy. Why exactly did you choose this logo?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
The hammer is traditional and classic Sandy. The smiley makes it terrible. It’s too childish and doesn’t make any sense.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
@jas0n I will seriously take on board feedback…but that means BOTH opinions…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Sandy’s still ignoring me.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
We’re at 60… even though it says 98…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
@solvedsnake…I’m enjoying the monologue
November 27th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Still waiting…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Sandy, are you going to answer my question?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
@GM8LogoSucks… “Hello”
November 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
>:(
November 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
okay, not a hammer, but >>>smile<<<????? this logo laughs at us!! is awful! and it is not a habit, you know!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
So, back to the point. Why did you choose the logo?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
(Laughs hysterically at Sandy’s response to GM8LS)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
I don’t know if the one speaking there is sandy. If it is Sandy and not a fake account… GM is doomed.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
@Small Child: It wasn’t that funny.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
If it IS Sandy? What?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Sandy, this is not a petition to get the ball and hammer back, this is a petition for a different logo that both you and us want.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
@GM8LS
Sorry. I have a weird sense of humor.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
@solvedsnake your kidding right? hes been taking your (saying your as a group) inpolite comments calmly, and the one time he gets a little mad you get..
never mind it’s not worth the fight, can’t we all just agree with the logo and get on with our lives?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
“last time I saw a logo with a hammer it was the Soviet Union or…was it Game Maker… ?? Maybe I’m not up to date with the 1960’s ??”
Sandy, dude, when you build your notoriety using one specific routine/brand image, you don’t randomly change ALL of it. You modernize it, but you keep the basis.
That logo thing isn’t GameMaker. I don’t know what it is but it’s certainly not GameMaker’s logo.
GameMaker is that awesome program that lets you make games. The logo is a ball with a hammer in it – that’s easy to remember. I don’t care if it’s red or blue or shiny, it’s the newest version of GameMaker and it’s recognizable as such.
Also I’d like to know 2 things :
-What do the other members of the YYG staff have to say ?
-Why did you choose that logo specifically, over the other ones which were rated way higher ?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Worth pointing out that the website gets more than a million visitors a month….there are about 20 people posting here so far (including me
…and I’m going to bed.
Honestly I’m listening to your feedback, but I want to sit back and take on board your feedback over more than just a few minutes/hours….
November 27th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Sandy off Spongebob (I’m calling you that because you look a lot like her, you have buck teeth, big eyes and you… well, you basically look like the very same logo you chose.) Are you listening?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
@aroymart
This is a rather large discussion, isn’t it? Is this really that big? I don’t like the logo, but still…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
@GM8LogoSucks and you think people here should take you seriously ??
November 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
75 people! 3/4 of a hundred! 3/20 of it all! 15%… I’ll shut up now.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
The logo contains too many harshness, the smiley doesn’t make sense, the shadings are worse, game maker hasn’t got any capitalized letters, the smiley at least should blink an eye instead of being high, and on an other communty only 8% voted for that logo.
I suppose YYG must stop dictating.
Sign this and YYG will look better next time:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/
November 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
@aroymart: Okay, I was just kidding. But seriously, Mark chose the hammer logo for a reason. And game maker is basically Mark’s creation. Did they even ask Mark about this? If Mark approved on this, then I’ll get freaked out.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
@small child sorry i just don’t like the fact that everyone is fighting over a logo as if it’s the end of the world
November 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
I don’t see anything wrong with the text or the cog, but the smiley annoys me.
BTW, I don’t think that many people are even looking at the logo again and again. Kinda funny. Sorta.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
This Logo is SO BAD !
Please :
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/
November 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
SIGN PETITION !!!
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/
SIGN PETITION !!!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
@aroymart
Yeah, that’s the point I was trying to make. Sorry if it came off weirdly.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
I’m trying to change the logo, but its too stubborn!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
@aroymart : this is about the very image of GameMaker. This will define what kind of media attention it gets and what kind of demographic groups it attracts.
Sandy’s lack of professionalism scares me a bit. I thought GameMaker was handled by people more responsible than this.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I signed.
Look Sandy, everyone is telling you to not use it.
But ALBERT ZAK has already been told he has one. Why don’t you give him the money, and use someone else’s logo. You can give them GM8 free. I am sure they would under stand.
But the logo you picked really is bad.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
SIGN SIGN SIGN!
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/
At this rate, we will hit 500 in a few hours.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
I mean, I don’t like it, but is it really that big of a deal, people? Just COMPRO-freaking-MISE and move on!
(Sorry if I sounded harsh and lunaticy)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Thank you all for signing! =)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
I do see it as the end of the world. The smiley will stare at everyone. It will hide under your pillow while you sleep, then it will strike. Once it has eaten enough souls, the world will explode. This will happen in 2012.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Hey, I’m surprised Greg isn’t here! (snickers)
November 27th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
@sandy: Sorry, I overreacted. But you gotta listen to us. If it wasn’t for Game Maker, I would have killed myself by now. It’s one of the things I thought life was worth living for. I don’t want one of the things that keeps me happy to mutate into a smiley with a cog round it’s head.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
This is what it reminds me of:
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r172/Shadow-2k9/lol-face.gif
November 27th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
@Frankosh
By the way, is your name Stephen King?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
This is supposed to visually represent the Game Maker software? I thought you were supposed to make GM look more professional and appealing and less of the joke it used to be regarded as back when all it was famous for was poor platformers featuring ripped Mario/Sonic sprites.
It’s vile and embarrasing. It’s amateurish and makes it look like Game Maker is purely for kids (not the smart kids either). It’s by far the worst logo I’ve ever seen for a quality piece of software. It’s just more fodder for those users of more ‘professional’ game development programs to have a go at us.
And why’s the K look so much like an R? Thought it said Game Marer at first.
It’s got to be some sorta joke or something and the real logo will be revealed later.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
If you hate this logo, sign our petition: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8#
November 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
…either it’s doing the weird adding thing again, or we passed 100!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
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November 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Oh. It was doing the adding thing. Pfft.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Please, Sandy. Pleease! (I’ll repeat my other comment, in case you didn’t notice it.)
Other comment:
@sandy: Sorry, I overreacted. But you gotta listen to us. If it wasn’t for Game Maker, I would have killed myself by now. It’s one of the things I thought life was worth living for. I don’t want one of the things that keeps me happy to mutate into a smiley with a cog round it’s head.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
@Sam
Do you want us to join the petition?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
@Sandy maybe it’s because this thread hasn’t been on for even a day! And the majority just reads the posts and don’t have time/don’t want to sign up another account and say some things everyone else is already saying. I hope you notice that the decision was not good if 40-50 people say they don’t like it, in the first few hours after the announcement.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
@hegemege
Has it even been up for 2 hours?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Don’t forget to verify your signature! It should emailed the verification link to you.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/
November 27th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
@ Small Child
…Maybe
November 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Join : http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/
We already reached 20% !
November 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
its been up for about 3
November 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
WE GOT 100!!w00t!!1!!!!1!one!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Relax people, sandy already stated that he needs time to think it trough. My post about 2012 was sarcastic btw
November 27th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
121 supporters! Thanks guys.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8#
November 27th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Wow nice
November 27th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
@ Sandy
Hey current events time. 100 signs for the removal of smiley face!
November 27th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
@Frankosh
I know, I was just kidding. I’m going to leave now. Be back in like 5 minutes.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
It was adding. It’s actually 106.
Okay, I’m leaving now.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
LOL, Game Marer
November 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Is this SERIOUS?
I mean do I have to see this dude smiling at me everytime I turn on my computer? Will he be the button I press everytime I wanna create a game? Sandy, scroll down and read, people hates this logo. It feels so…silly…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
@alex: sign if you didn’t already, then you’ll see how many people agree:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8#
November 27th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
When I first saw the logo I though that strange looking logo can’t be the new one for GM8. Now I have seen the logo a few times and I think people could get used to it. But I still don’t really like the smiley, and I’m (more or less) glad, that I’m not the only one who doesn’t really like the new logo.
Btw, I only registered to say this.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Haha, asmodeus. Redwall. Assssssssssssssmodeuuusss….
BTW, JoinjoinJoinjoinJoinjoinJoinjoinJoinjoinJoinjoinJoinjoinJoinjoinJoinjoin
November 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8#
November 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
The petition is out there and people are signing. There is no need to continue useless posts of what number it is at every 5 minutes, then we are no better than the smiley face logo.
@Evayr: http://www.evayr.com/images/RIPGameMaker.png
my God that is pure genius mate, that’s nice work too.
All in all we have many great artists on this board, and I am very pleased with all of the artwork on a personal level.
I just don’t enjoy a “Wry So Serious” smiley looking at me whenever I program.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
that is exactly why we have this petition.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Yeah, I’m back. I’m leaving now. I’m gonna check back to see how it played out.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I don’t like it. I didn’t like the old one either. Don’t really care much for the logos on other products I use either. But I still use the products, though. Because of FUNCTIONALITY. If you’re so uppity that an icon just grates your nerves, CHANGE the desktop icon and get back to work instead of whining about the stupid icon. Now if you don’t mind, I’ve got to go preheat the oven for some Pizza Roll snacks… I’d use the microwave, but I can’t stand the logo on it.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Alright, Sandy, if you’re not thinking about choosing a different logo, hopefully this will change your mind.
Firstly, the smiley face is a major problem. Everyone has explained this. But it isn’t just because it looks childish. It can also be associated with the internet meme found here:
http://www.spore.com/static/avatar/226/447/873/awesome%20face.png
This can be seen as not only immature, but it could also be seen as attempting to copy a popular image to increase sales. This will hurt how some possible new users see YYG’s morals.
Then, there’s the image itself. The eyes are a major problem. It can be seen two ways:
It looks like the white parts were originally supposed to be the eyes, but the creator probably thought that it looked a bit creepy. So they cheaply added some dots to the top to make it less creepy. It’s noticeable if you only slightly observe it.
Then there’s the usual way of how each person might see an image differently, like with the Wine Glass/2 Faces trick. I saw the eyes as just weird at first, but after looking at it for a bit, it looked very creepy. I’m now seeing the white parts as stalks and the black parts as little eyes on top of the stalks. It reminds me of a hermit crab, and may scare away some of the younger users that this banner might attract.
Yeah, you already spent $250 on this logo and the check has probably already cleared at this point. But paying $250 for a logo that the users actually like is nothing compared to the sales you will most likely lose if you stick with this ridiculous thing.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
@kvegas
It’s not only about the childlish logo, it’s about Game Maker’s image! What kind of a program is that one with that smiley over there?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Agreed.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8#
Keep up the good work. =)
November 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
You have got to be kidding me, not only is this logo ridiculous it is plain stupid and utterly immature.
Just shows how little taste the judges have to offer, pass the vote to a GMC audience.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Oh, and sorry for double posting, but I feel that this needs to be said.
Your posts look childish. Use of multiple exclamation and question marks accompanied with over-capitalization (in some cases) makes you sound like an idiot. I suggest that you don’t do this.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
More than 142 people agree with you, Krisando!
November 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Any respect I ever had for whomever approved this is now gone.
Not saying it’s bad, I just don’t like it.
I want a change, but not that one.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Oh god it’s even worse than I thought it would be. That’s a weird looking smiley in the first place and it completely ruins Game Makers image as anything other than a kids toy.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Sign and protect the old GM http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
No please. That smiley face is just… ehh. Generic, childish, and nearly impossible to incorporate into other forms of media.
Glad you’re considering a different one.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
@Jas0n
I doubt this petition is necessary. I think it’s been made obvious to Sandy how everyone feels. Like I said, I’m continuing use of the program regardless. But I think its in the best interest of everyone involved if something different is chosen and I think Sandy sees that.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I like the logo, but it’s really bad for GM’s image. Like I said in the YYGF-topic on the petition; it might be suitable if GM was a unprofessional program made by some guy living in his mom’s basement. It looks good, but it’s not appropriate for GM.
I signed the petition.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Thank you. =)
For anyone who wants to sign: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Wow. This is just ridiculous. Thanks for reinforcing the belief that all GM users are immature and behave like 5-year old children. It’s not the crying out against the logo that reinforces it, it’s the logo. Seriously, what was being smoked when they came up with this logo? You can’t judge a book by its cover, but you can get a pretty good idea of what’s inside it. I think YYG needs to seriously reconsider its choice and look at the other logos.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I’m Alexanderrs brother (it failed to log him out when I tried so I’m writing the comment here instead)
Awesome!!! I mean have you read through all those comments? It’s SUPER-FUN to read! Honestly, Good job everyone and keep comment…!
November 27th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
[...] on the Yoyo Games blog, the new Game Maker logo was announced. While the younger members may not mind so much, the older [...]
November 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I hope my petition can overthrow this horrid excuse for a logo.
Sign: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
(Alexanderrs brother again…)
And I wonder if anyone is going to make a game called “Kill Happy Logos” (not that I disslike it)
November 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Sadly, I too must agree. I understand the connotations for Europeans that the hammer can have, and will not fight too hard on this point. I -would- like to ask if it has ever been an issue, or if the idea that GM was strangely communist looking is merely a recent one?
I am an artist, though I did not have time to submit any designs for the competition; but I was hoping to see some talent emerge. As an artist, I cannot honestly say that this was a good choice. The manipulation of the image is good, but the image itself does not convey what GM is about. At the very least, the hammer appeared to be about building something. Smilies carry only feelings of banner ads that talk to you if you accidentally move your cursor over them, or instant messaging programs. You want your logo to impress, to make people think “This is a reliable program run by people who know what they are doing. It’s been around for years and will continue to be around as long as I use it. But even though the staff is dependable, they are also as creative and fun as Google.”
The balloon image seen farther up the page
(http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/1.jpg) carries some of that creative spark. In fact, it reminds me a lot of Adobe’s creativity. At any rate, I would strongly urge you–avoid pride and do what smart and insanely successful companies recently would do. I cannot imagine Google, Mac (ipod culture especially), Pixar, etc. choosing an image like this; and then ignoring the user-base with just the mantra “change is hard”.
Please reconsider. I think you’ll find this is a curse you can easily dodge right now. Hire a real graphics artist if necessary, just give GM a quality logo, for your sake as much as ours.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Oh, they should reconsider when they see how many of us HATE this logo.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 27th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
There’s nearly 200 people that have signed that petition. That should just be enough to make Sandy change his mind… but were going all the way to 500.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
YES
November 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Its their choice
But urrrrgh….
November 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Also, Jas0n and the rest of you, grow up. No one listens to whiney children, not matter how old they are or how many of them are signing a petition.
I am willing to bet I care about GM more than you do, but would like you to please be reasonable and stop spamming.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
We are not whining.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
200+ People out of 300(?) saying it’s bad is definitely not whining..
November 27th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Seriously? Out of the four presumably finalist logos, this is literally the worst choice.
Even as an emoticon, it’s not great. I had to look twice to make sure it wasn’t a “crying” face.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
a couple of hours ago, 3 and a half i think, there were 4 replies, now there are 238…
Im sorry Sandy but this logo is to childish, yes you could say Gm is aimed at Children, but it can also be a very serious and proffesional program. http://www.scratch.mit.edu that company has a very cheesy program and the entire community is packed with NOOBS. they think that making a man move left is an awesome game.
Please for the love of god don’t let that kind of community get here. Yes it would bring alot of people but just think, people like that don’t usually pay for programs but like mentioned before they clog up the community.
Its amazing how much effect one picture can have… But this is serious. I appreciate the effort behind the creation of this logo but its just very unproffesional, it makes Game Maker look like one of those Dodgy programs that you find on the internet that are packed with viruses. Im worried it will turn people away.
People also need to think about the current community. Lots and lots of older people used Game Maker, im 13 but this could put me off Game Maker for ever…
I have mentioned before, it would be awesome just to have the classic blue ball back! (i love that logo)
I even like the text on one of the runner up logo’s (the one with the green man) it looked proffesional, maybe it should just be a piece of text like that with a ball for a logo. Like many proffesional programs out there.
But this is just however my opinion but i feel many of the people here will agree with me.
(not to mention i dug my password out of an un-used email account just so i could post this…
Have a nice day!
Michael.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
haha ^^
November 27th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
CAPITALIZE “Game Maker” in the logo, please.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
@sandy, No, just no.
The old logo was perfectly fine, you couldn’t have just updated that? I’m sure more people would be fond of that than of this.
Like really, open photoshop, make a giant red circle, add a hammer, make it shiny, and done. Chances are, it looks more professional than this.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Maybe that logo is nice for an IM app, but for game maker it just… doesn´t make sense…
I do prefer this logo instead:
http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/3.jpg
This logo is like the old one, but with a 2010´s aspect, it is very professional.
(It is NOT my logo!)
November 27th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
It is so annoying to hear all the toddlers around complaining about a logo.
If GM has not gained enough recognition is mainly due to the fact that most of its users are young and immature.
I hope you guys grow up some day and get a life.
Seriously.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
“I am willing to bet I care about GM more than you do”
If we didn’t care for GM, we wouldn’t be creating a petition and having over 200 people signing it! If we didn’t care, we wouldn’t be worried about the logo and we would say – “Oh I don’t care. Just let YYG be overrun with noobs. All of the good developers games will be swallowed by the other ones, but who cares.” I care, and I support the petition and the removal of the logo.
Please, don’t let this happen to Game Maker. Keep it professional, not a program millions of 7 year old kids use.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
diddo on brod
my brother thinks it sucks
November 27th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
I gotta say, I am not one to be a critic, at least not a harsh one, but that really is not the right logo for gamemaker…Its too silly even for a amateur game development program used by kids/teens/hobbyists.
Maybe its time to think of a new name? “Game Maker” allways sounded bland to me and I hated saying the name out loud around my friends because it makes it sound like it does all the work.. Where in say the case of “Maya” or “Dreamweaver” and other popular development tools that have have more abstract names, there is no automatic negative effect to the credibility of the product or the creations of the product. Just a thought.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
We have 264 supporters.
Don’t believe me? Check it out: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
At this rate we will be able to remove this logo!
November 27th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Hey Sandy, would it be possible to post all the entries somewhere?
I’ve seen a couple of the entries on the GMC, but it would be pretty interesting to see all of them.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@jas0n:
[quote]At this rate we will be able to remove this logo![/quote]
Only if Sandy agreed with the 500 goal – which I assume he didn’t
November 27th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Hopefully he will, or I’ll cut him- I mean be very annoyed.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Looks nice, even though it looks kinda yahooish to me. But a logo with game maker never was never paid attention to me, because I usual am making a game, and not looking at logos. lol.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
how about something in this style?
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8542/gmbanner.png
its not very good but thats what i think the layout should be like…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
I apologize for the mildly arrogant post earlier. What I meant was that I have invested a good bit of the past six years into this program, so I care a great deal about it. I was not bringing down however much you may or may not care about GM, Elmzran.
Spamming complaints comes off as whining, however. Post constructive criticisms–once. That is, if you’d like to be taken seriously.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
In my opinion, it looks pretty bomb, dude. It represents how GM makes me feel. I swear I get that face every time I solve a problem with my code.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
I’m not usually one to complain – I generally think YYG’s has done a great job with Game Maker so far – but I really dislike this logo.
I feel that it doesn’t say anything about what Game Maker is. To be honest, people already consider Game Maker to be a bit of a childish program, and though there’s nothing wrong with that opinion if it’s true, it’s generally not. Game Maker (in most cases) is not a program for young children. But this logo portrays it as if it was.
Anyways, those are the primary problems I have with the logo. I’m surprised some have gotten so upset with the new logo, but I guess some people are more worried about it then I am.
Looking forward to GM 8, whether the I like the new logo or not!
November 27th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
@michaelepw
IMO it´s not very professional, but it´s still better than that “stupid” smiley
IMO I prefer this one: http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/3.jpg
Sorry for the spam, but this logo is a revamp of the old one (in orange)
We (most of us) wan´t a evolution of the old logo, not a revolution
November 27th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
I like the logo, nice style and I think it really shows what Game Maker is: fun
@michaelepw
That’s an awfull style for a logo.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:00 am
lol i know its aweful but i think the layout should look like that, if it was rendered nicely and had a decent text effect
but that ornage ball is awesome!! id be happy to use that, although maybe it should be a different color IDK.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:04 am
this logo makes GM look more childish than it’s already considered to be, while it’s a good program.
i’ll repeat:
people DO judge books by their covers.
-> http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/ <-
November 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Just wondering, will Cactus even be taken seriously after this?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:06 am
I dont see how this smiely face represents game maker in the slightest.
this was my entry: http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c223/nichlor/logosimpleblack.jpg
It’s not as flashy and crisp but i thought the point was to make a logo that represents what game maker is all about. The joystick represents the playing of games, and the fact that you see the mesh underneath expresses the development of games.
The smiley face makes game maker look like a childs program…
Yes, the cog relates to “making” things but how does the smiley face connect that to game developement?!?!
…it doesn’t
(also registered just for this)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:10 am
heh i made another logo similar to my alst but i think it looks MORE proffesional:
http://img4.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=gmbanner8y.png
November 28th, 2009 at 12:12 am
I haven’t read everything but I think I’ll be the one to say.
This logo doesn’t even scale well haha. The idea is pretty terrible and looks like it had 20 seconds of thought, which is okay because sometimes good ideas come out of it, but the logo is comprised of numerous gradients running into each other which makes it look terrible except at the size it was made.
When learning Digital Tools, the rule of thumb should be – Here is the Gradient Tool. This is what it does. Now never use it.
If GM decides to continue with this, then yoyogames will lose alot of respectability. However, I’ll still use Game Maker and have fun as it is an amazing program.
-DanFornace.com
November 28th, 2009 at 12:26 am
I am physically disgusted by this sick joke. It is a sick joke right? Tell me this is a sick joke.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Is everyone really this immature. Most of you using Game Maker should be under 18, or 21, at least, otherwise you should be using C++ or something like that. Yeah, the logo isn’t the star logo of the universe but really. Game Maker is made for people who want to make games without typing any code. To all of you people who think it doesn’t look professional, it’s not really supposed to, Game Maker is a really good game making program but it’s not really proffesional. A real programmind system is professional. The ones that involve typing tens of thousands of lines of code. I’m just saying that everyone should be happy with the program itself, not complain about what it looks like.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:33 am
but the point is, Game Maker felt quite proffesional compared to other programs, therefore people obviously want it to stay that way. just a cheesy logo could cause this to collapse. I don’t really think its immature at all, its a very serious discussion and actions should be taken.
Have a nice day!
Michael.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Dude, i like the gear, but keep the hammer. the overly gay face looks so unprofessional.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:38 am
“ame Maker is made for people who want to make games without typing any code”
In order to unlock Game Maker’s professionality, you have to type code. I NEVER use the D&D functions anymore, I just sit here typing code. Game Maker isn’t as professional as C++, but I think it’s still classified as a professional Game Development Engine.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:39 am
I haven’t seen any any other program for game making unlike those “lines of programming” programs besides Game Maker so I’m just working off of self knowledge.
The format is very professional looking and I’m sure it’s closer to professional than any other game making program other than ones like C++ but it’s not really “professional”.
I think my last sentence in my previous post makes a very good point, though.
P.S. has anyone noticed that the date and time is completely inaccurate.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Hi, I have registered to say, this logo is upsetting.
I have been a Game Maker user since 2001 — This is literally like a piece of my childhood is being destroyed. But it is not a simple matter of change. The logo seems unprofessional, and more-or-less a rip-off of the Yahoo Messenger logo. I do not understand how it is favored above other logos.
Please do not do an injustice to Game Maker by going through with this decision.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:41 am
I agree with michaelepw:
It´s a very serious discussion, because it is more than just the icon we see on the desktop, it´s about the community.
With that logo, probably many kids will come and ofuscate some very good games with modifications of the tutorials.
My main GM´s project isn´t a game, it is a shell but YYG is about sharing our creations with the world, not comparing modifications of tutorials…
BSoftware
November 28th, 2009 at 12:42 am
@Elmzran: GML is just an extremely useful added feature. You said that you don’t use D&D *anymore*, but you used to use it, right? In my first game I never even knew how to use GML.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Please tell me that SOMEONE agrees with me?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:46 am
Thats what makes Game Maker great!
You can pick up Drag and Drop easily so you don’t just say “oahh this is too hard” and then leave, your lifted up and helped, then when you want to start exploring Gm’s depth you can move onto Gml. And then the possiblities are Endless!! (apart from 3d stuff…)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:48 am
@EXPScoreBoy
D&D is just like a friendly way to start programming, Nobody starts using only GML. Actually, when you get only coding, you still use D$D most of the times, but just to put the “Execute code” action
BTW, my shell has about 3500 lines of code and it is about 100MB in 4000 files, not as much lines as you usually write on C++ but its a reasonable value for a D&D program
Cheers,
BSoftware
November 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am
@expscoreboy:
[quote]
Most of you using Game Maker should be under 18, or 21, at least, otherwise you should be using C++ or something like that. [/quote]
You are not in the position to tell us what we should or shouldn’t do.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Believe it or not, a lot of people can’t even figure out the whole drag-and-drop feature. I do admit, knowing GML and variables expands your Game Maker possibilities one hundred times better but my point is, you don’t NEED to know how to use GML to make games.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:52 am
@michaelepw
the 3d stuff is endless too (DLLs)
http://www.ultimate3d.org/
November 28th, 2009 at 12:52 am
I’m not telling anyone what to do.
Posting these useless messages is getting tedious and boring.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:54 am
There’s age groups for programming languages? Since when did this happen?
I’m a bit older than the majority of gm users, but I use it because it’s simple and fun. The issue with it is that its really unprofessional, and it’s looked down upon. Replacing the old graphic with a smiley face is going to do it no justice.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:56 am
@Bsoftware: i nearly mentioned U3d but i have looked at it and it looks extremely complicated, but still it can’t handle as much as some 3d engines, and it also lags on PC’s anyway. But it does look cool.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:57 am
Did anyone see me post “everyone HAS to be under 18, or 21, at least”, or did you see me say SHOULD instead of HAVE. I’m not saying programming languages have set age groups, I’m just saying I wouldn’t often see many adults using Game Maker.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:58 am
I realize that change is sometimes hard. I remember when the GMC switched the GMC logo to the top-right and put the YoYO logo at the top-left. There were a lot of users (myself) included, who donned a whiny attitude and complained for a while.
This is different. No doubt you realize that whatever logo you choose determines a large of potentially new users first impression of GM.
A face who’s mouth takes up 3/4 of its face will only adversely affect the first impression. Please, change the logo. This isn’t a vocal minority, it’s the overwhelming majority. I hope you can see that.
Change may be hard, but it shouldn’t be unnecessarily difficult.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Hey, who voted on that logo? a clown? It makes gm look unprofessional take it down its ugly.
And you know that there are adults in the community who use gm, not only 6 year olds. Seriously, is that a grin or a yawn?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:03 am
Why does everyone complain about the new logo.
Also, Game Maker (dispite what I said earlier) is pretty easy to use. You all want people to think that, right? Well I think someone might see the logo and say “Hey, this looks pretty fun and easy to use. Maybe I should try it…”. Hopefully that is the message that the new logo will send off.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:06 am
@Bleed-”…there are adults…who use gm…”: I never said there weren’t.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:13 am
@EXPScoreBoy Speak for youself, some of us have been using GM since 03″ and this logo is an insult to our intelligence. We are programming with a babies toy now.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Does anyone have anything good to say about my opinion?
Probably not, so throw it at me, where’s the next disliking post towards me.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:19 am
If Albert Zak was reading this right now I don’t think he’d be too happy.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Excellent! We are now one step closer to Game Maker 8.0!
BTW guys, throwing a tantrum about being associated with children is about as immature as you can get.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Thank you ~Dannyboy~! Finally, someone who agrees with me.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:22 am
personally like i said before, i think people will think:
” oh, this looks like one of them crappy programs thats packed with adverts and is very complicated and weird.”
Thats the impression i got when i looked at Game editor, just because the logo was some cheesy smiley.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Will anyone ever get over it?!
November 28th, 2009 at 1:26 am
I don’t think calling it “cheesy” is a very good insult. A lot of people’s favorite dairy product is either cheese or something made with cheese.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:27 am
No probably not
only joking. But still i wouldn’t want this on my games…
November 28th, 2009 at 1:29 am
where i come from the expression Cheesy is like saying something is really quite silly and witty, its hard to explain… a silly smiley would be cheesy… e.g That LOGO!!
November 28th, 2009 at 1:31 am
AHAHAHAHA that face in the middle looks so stupid.
How about a new Game Maker name too, perhaps “Retard Maker?”
November 28th, 2009 at 1:31 am
That might be taking it a bit far BTB
November 28th, 2009 at 1:32 am
I still don’t know why everyone hates it. It isn’t THAT bad. I know, if you think of the concept of a gear with a big Smiley inside it it does seem a bit strange. But it really isn’t that bad that you wouldn’t want to make games anymore. I bet the majority of people who say that now they won’t use GM anymore will still use it. And it’s the game making program that really matters, right?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:33 am
I was right in the mood to make a Game Maker Game today. I worked with the program for many years and I consider myself quite good at it. I was going to get some sprites from the internet (No I wasn’t planning to make a cheesy clone) when I got to my home page: Yoyogames.
When I saw a horribly unprofessional and creepy logo for what I assumed was a bad gaming website. But then I opened this glog post and I noticed it was Game Maker new logo. I no longer plan on making my game and probably won’t finished my other project because of Game Maker’s newfound unprofessionality.
RIP Game Maker
PS: I made my account just for this
November 28th, 2009 at 1:35 am
@michealepw-”where i come from the expression Cheesy is like saying something is really quite silly…”
I know what “Cheesy” means I was just making a joke.
Also “Retard Maker” is definitely taking it way too far. Don’t be such a pessimist.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Its not that its a bad picture its that IMO it doesn’t suite Game Maker, i would still make games, but if that logo was there on every .exe i would most definately swap it, cos people who play the games who arn’t Gm users might think its something untrustworthy.
But to be honest the creator didn’t even spell Game Maker with any capitals… i think that would make it look better…
November 28th, 2009 at 1:38 am
I really think the logo choice was a disaster. No offense to the winner, you have talent but it really does NOT fit the new scheme at all. GM8 was supposed to be more professional. I had massive discussions with many gm users and most of us agreed and heard that GM8 was supposed to be a more professional tool, that is a step up from GM7, but, if you were new you would use gm7, and gm8 would be like the “Ultimate” version of GM7. I was also looking at the runner up logos and I thought a few of us could have been up there rather than logos that looked like they were drawn by a 5 year old and remade in illustrator (Except the green one with the yoyo, that one was decent). You really should have let the people decide the new logo rather than 2 people who now seem to have no idea what their doing. Honestly do you want to portray GM8 as a childs toy? Because you are now. I am very hesitant on buying it just because of the logo. Most of the comments were about how a logo portrays the program and how this was supposed to be a fun program easy to learn, but I feel you went to far thus making me and probably most everyone that has posted guilty to be using such a tool. I know this post is really long and that I will get flamed for it but it bums me out that we have been waiting for Gm8 for 2 years and now the whole idea of it for people coming in and seeing it is that it is a childs program. Honestly, it really isn’t. It can be, but many great things have been made with gm including the functions it has. Some people say that Game Maker is noobish, and for some reasons it is, its slower, interpreted etc, but overall I don’t see them creating a tool such as this one. I would like to have a revote (Winners can still keep their prizes) but let the PEOPLE decide this time instead of making your own decision for hundreds of developers. Some people say “Just use reshack to change the icon” but when you upload to yoyo, or your on the gmc that logo will haunt you forever. I just would also like to add that a smiley face defeats the point of gm8. It should have been an eight in there or something, common, that brings me back to the point of the logo being childish. That is all I have to say for now.
Regards, North.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:39 am
About the whole *.exe* icon thing, that’s what Icon Maker in the yoyogames resources is for.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:40 am
@EXPscoreboy: ah ok sorry, im a bit tired, didn’t pick it up
.
also BenEdv:
wrote “RIP Game Maker” why not just use an older version
like 7.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:40 am
that program has an annoying water mark, i just use one of the ones that was made with Gm
November 28th, 2009 at 1:41 am
One more thing, the logo looks almost like an exact replica of Game Creator, a tool that compiles games, like game maker but its messy I don’t recommend it but the logo with the smiley looks almost identical.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:43 am
In my opinion, for all of the people who create the yoyogames website and game maker 8, you should delay the release of GM 8 until people realize that it really isn’t about the logo, but about the program.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:43 am
What significance does this logo have to Game Maker? It’s almost like Google choosing a piece of pi as their logo – it makes no sense what so ever.
Furthermore, this new logo loses all individuality because of the generic smilie. If you where presented with a list of 100 icons and asked to identify them, I’m sure you could- but with the new Game Maker logo, you can’t.
The old logo had a hammer, and that symbolises creativity and design (you build stuff with hammers). What does a smilie remind me of – those annoying internet adverts that made me want to install ad block.
All of those saying you’ll lose sales are right. If I’m search for game design software and I come across one with a giant smilie face as the logo, what am I expected to think? That I’ll be forever happy using this program, or its a cheap program that’s had no thought put into it.
@EXPScoreBoy you say that Game Maker is an easy way to design games, primarily aimed at a younger audience. If Yoyo Games is serious about monetising the site by allowing paid games, what games do they have there that’s worth paying for? How many of them where made by someone under the age of 18?
By using the generic smilie, you are removing any individuality that the old game maker logo had and if the phrase ‘lead by example’ is anything to go by, what sort of message is this sending the community.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:45 am
It’s about time people start seeing behind the logo.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Nice new game maker logo, hey wanna see my website created from WEBS people say it sucks i say it rocks i actually made a nice website check it out at http://www.am123dreamgames.webs.com
November 28th, 2009 at 1:47 am
@Garion: Half of the people don’t even show their age, how can you say most are adults?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:48 am
@ michaelepw
I primarily use a Mac but from time to time I will use my old vista to use Game Maker. I was patiently awaiting Gm for Mac, and it most likely will use this logo unless Sandy realizes what a mistake he’s made.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:49 am
@EXPScoreBoy
The logo does portray a lot about game maker. Read my massive comment please and get a grip, yeah we SHOULD move past it but its hanging on us because its the new face of game maker (literaly >.<) for the next year or so, possible forever!
November 28th, 2009 at 1:49 am
You know, “see behind the logo” would make a good catch phrase or important quote.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:50 am
hey, there was a contest for the logo what if i made a logo for game maker can i win a free template lol jk
November 28th, 2009 at 1:51 am
Ill never sign my name on a gm game again, omg the past will haunt me, newbies will laugh at me, THE HORROR
November 28th, 2009 at 1:51 am
just wanna say one thing thanks for game maker there never enough Zelda games out there
November 28th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Wasn’t that thing supposed to go here? http://www.33smiley.com/
Well, I would think so if I saw it for the first time…
November 28th, 2009 at 1:53 am
@LoopStan: I wouldn’t say forever, and the “new face of game maker” thing was pretty funny. Even if it is the new representation of game maker for a while it would probably take a load off to forget about it. How often do you stare at the GM7 icon on your desktop and say “Boy, is this a good icon”? Not often? As too be expected.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:55 am
I’m getting quite unhappy with everyone.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:56 am
@EXPScoreBoy Speak you yourself man the old gm logo gave inspiration to some of us.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:56 am
One other thing, what are we all doing here posting comments on a new GM logo when we could actually be doing something.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:59 am
Hey Ill make a new professional logo for you free of charge, just have pity and take that clown-logo down.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Wow, a lot of bile over this. Makes you feel bad for the guy who drew it. Way to make a winner feel like a loser, eh? :/
I just don’t get the bit about YYG losing sales over an icon. I used Lite for a good month or so before I committed to the purchase. At that point I could’ve given a damn about what the bloody icon looked like. Cripes, people.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Is there somewhere that I can post about games I am making? If so please tell me where.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:09 am
It’s been silent…
November 28th, 2009 at 2:10 am
Can someone please answer my above question, which should have had a question mark instead of a period.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:11 am
The logo is great and all but it just doesn’t fit Game maker right now.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:12 am
Well, this is going to be a inspiration to all of us:starting doing projects with the “real” programming-languages
What do you think?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:13 am
I’m was gonna try to learn C++ anyways so…
Is there a place where I can talk about my games?!
November 28th, 2009 at 2:16 am
@EXPScoreBoy I’m sorry, but at what part did I say most are adults
November 28th, 2009 at 2:16 am
Were posting comments because we ARE trying to do something.
We’re trying to convince Sandy to remove this GM Logo. EXPScoreBoy, the reasons that this logo must be removed have been stated.
It gives Game Maker a bad look. I wouldn’t care too much if I had this for an icon, or as a loading screen maybe, but what irks me REALLY BAD is the impression people will get when they see that logo.
Before I get to my point, let me state that I would not be upset over the logo change if the new logo actually represented Game Maker.
It doesn’t. It’s just some non-capitalized text of Game Maker with a 3/4 of mouth smiley face that looks like a 7 year old laughing at something.
Imagine a 28 year old man looking for a Game Development Engine. He finds Game Maker, and is curious. He opens up the YoYoGames page and finds the hideous smile starting at him… or, more staring at the top of the screen in a mocking manner.
It doesn’t give you the thought “Oh, this looks like something that might actually work compared to the other free crapware Game Development Engines out there” instead, it gives you the thought that this is just some un-advanced piece of software that can only make noobish games. It will then turn that man down, and he will laugh when he hears about it again.
Believe it or not, lots of people judge stuff by logo / appearance on the Internet, not by how it works. Seeing the logo will turn down all older, more experienced Game Developers, since they will think of having better things to do then trying out a piece of software that has a logo that appeals to 5 year olds.
5-10 year olds will think of the logo as fun, and think the software is for them. Most of them will start making tutorial edits, claim it as there own, and mass upload the crap to cover everything good.
Basically, YYG is never going to be the same. The noob population will greatly increase, while any good game developers will be turned down. A Bad Game to Good Game Ratio of 10000:1 will eventually become reality.
I’ve heard of plenty of people who have stopped using GM just for this logo change.
Logo’s can be powerful, especially when it comes to things like Game Maker. So, this will have to be changed in order to preserve Game Maker.
Also, for those who are about to flame me – I CARE FOR GAME MAKER. If I didn’t, I would NOT be speaking out & protesting against this logo. My favorite program, the thing that I use every day is being given the image of a childish piece of crap, and I will not stand for that.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:17 am
never mind…
November 28th, 2009 at 2:40 am
@EXPScoreboy: Assuming you weren’t just being facetious, there are the Yoyogames Forums (forums.yoyogames.com)as well as the Game Maker Community (gmc.yoyogames.com)
@Elmzran:
I don’t doubt that some folks are that superficial; but if you’re serious about investing the time to make a game, it wouldn’t be so good to make a snap judgment like that. I would play other people’s stuff and see what the software can do before I judged Mr. Smiley so harshly.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:50 am
This logo is such a disgrace, seriously guys just change it back to what it use to be exept maybe a little flashier or something.
This is just, well pukeworthy, even I can make a better logo, in fact I will!
November 28th, 2009 at 2:51 am
Also this guy should NOT win a prize win sooooo many people ABSOLUTELY HATE IT!!
November 28th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Does anyone really care that we hate the new gm logo?I even hated smileys when they were popular
November 28th, 2009 at 2:55 am
Apparently not, this is getting worse then the youtube staff
November 28th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Even my cheap GM logo looks better http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/9070/mygamemakerlogo.png
November 28th, 2009 at 3:11 am
By the way, when will gamemaker 8 be available for download anyway?
November 28th, 2009 at 3:16 am
I don’t care to explain why it sucks. That’s bee done too many times already. But, for sure, it sucks. The old one may have been old, but it was good.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:20 am
um… i think it’s great but i liked the old logo with the ball and hammer better… i think instead of the smiley face, the old logo would make it look very nice
November 28th, 2009 at 3:31 am
Can’t the Yoyogames staff see the utter garbage in it? The logo is ridiculously unprofessional. The design is bad, the actual logo is still bad. At least IMPROVE it. Seriously, the logo isn’t even smoothed out properly. This is the biggest joke I’ve ever seen.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:32 am
The mass of you here are morons. A logo is not going to destroy a community. Appreciate that a community does not necessarily decide every single thing that happens. And based on the levels of intelligence most of you guys have, I’m glad Sandy DOESNT leave it all up to you.
That said, I think the design is undetailed, boring, and out of fashion. I’d even go as far as to say the old logo looked *more* modern. It’s become the face of Game Maker, and it’s sad to see it go. Personally, a refined and redetailed version of the old logo would have been perfect.
Still, I don’t expect you can change your mind considering it would be unfair / disappointing for the designer of the logo.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:35 am
i like it. but i dont really see how it’s alot better than the old one the smile face makes it lil girly but i made one. http://am123dreamgames.webs.com/apps/blog/show/2213283-gm-logo
it’s a nice logo and it will make more since for the logo cause it has that hammer and the circle
November 28th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Ugh, the smiley burns! It’s so pixelated!!! Who would want a program with this smiley as a logo!? The cog and text look quite nice, but the smiley just seems out of place…
November 28th, 2009 at 3:41 am
Rhys, which is more important? Being fair to one guy, or the company and the majority of the community?
November 28th, 2009 at 3:44 am
I don’t like the new logo. I think all that is needed is to take the smily face out of the logo, replace it with the red ball and hammer but make it look more modern by making above the handle skinnyer and adding rubber grips to the handle. I think the red ball would look pretty good inside the gear. and if it needs to be even more modern replace the hammer with a power drill
November 28th, 2009 at 3:48 am
This seems really sad to me.
The image quality is great, just, as has been said many times, the smiley face makes Game Maker look like it’s made for five-year-olds.
Honestly, who wants to seriously use a program with a logo like that?
This is going to kill GM sales, because the people who want to register are usually the more serious users. And if they don’t download it in the first place because they think it’s a children’s toy, that’s no good.
I actually quite like the text and gear. Just… the smiley kills it. And then brings it back to life and kills it again.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:50 am
Come on Sandy, change your mind.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:52 am
This is a disgrace to the community and to YoYoGames.
Not only did you COMPLETELY IGNORE the community’s opinion on something, but you passed off plenty of other fine and dandy logos for a one that looks like it should be made for a new Disney special.
Let me refresh your memories with some quotes…
“…We’re looking for a design that is more modern, communicates the vitality and excitement of what Game Maker stands for and fits better with the rest of the YoYo Games Branding…”
YoYoGames branding? Well, this is certainly the first time I’ve seen a smiley face this eccentric about YoYoGames since the five year olds invaded.
“…We don’t have a lot of time to get this integrated…”
This makes me feel like the entire thing was rushed and it was asked if this should be the new logo to someone while they were rushing out the door to catch a cab in the rain.
I agree with the fact that it expresses the excitement of the GM community, but you’re attracting the wrong type of attention with such a disgraceful, unprofessional logo.
@RhysAndrews: Although I agree with most of what you said, I couldn’t disagree more with your statement that a logo ruins a community. It damn well does, as the first thing people see when they’re going to purchase a product or join a community is a logo. If a brand-new member saw this, it would leave the same impression as those cheap-ass internet ads claiming you’ve won a trip to the Bahamas. It would be looked over and deemed unprofessional and a waste of one’s time, before they even got the chance to try the product.
As for the older and more experienced members, it would insult most of what they stand for, as Game Maker is supposed to pass as a professional and organized, easy-to-use game creation tool and not some forme of tool where you can just copy something and say “LUK AT D1S I MAED 1T 1N G4M3 M4K3R LULZ.” The older members would be again, insulted at the lack of professionalism involved in the choice of logo.
I’m not attacking the logo creator in any way shape or form; I’m sure he did the best as he could. I am, however, attacking YoYoGames on their choice of logo, which was perhaps even a bit rushed.
The logo is completely unprofessional and insults what most GM developers stand for.
I signed the petition.
The logo needs to go.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Sandy 353 request you to change the logo to a better one 353 members are saying this do you really want to do that. What will mark overmars say to you change it. Please don’t do this sandy 353 <– see how much that is but not everyone saying no like 3 members are not. So change your mind and give it to some one that needs the money and earns the money of there hard work i could just make this logo from paint.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:16 am
what the..? whats this piece of crap doing on game maker? no, not the one with the red ball and the silver hammer, the one with the gay smiley face! what does a SMILEY FACE have to do with creating games?? EVERYONE knows its the crappiest logo on the history of the internet. the old logo was getting so many viewers and members to join yoyo games and game maker, but this piece of crap could lose tons of people from both sites! the gay smiley makes game maker seem so unprofessional. if i won the competition, i would replace the smiley with the hammer. other people have said the same thing as me, and it IS a good idea! so, my point is… EVERYONE HATES THE NEW CRAPPY GAME MAKER LOGO!!!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 4:29 am
Nice drawing and what not; but for Game Maker?! Come on… So childish. I vote for combining that winning one with the modern old logo. Example –>
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll132/wppktninja/LogoCombo.png?t=1259379032
November 28th, 2009 at 4:31 am
at the beggining I was saying the logo looks good but it dosnt fit game maker. Im not making fun of the logo its drawn very nicely but its not the one for game maker. this type of logo is what make people like 8 year olds want to play it and all of the above ages dont. I like the logo but I dont think time is going to change everyones mind about it. I personally think we should have kept the hammer and atleast kept some of the oriniallity game maker has had over the years. I dont even know what a smiley face and a gear has to do with building programs. I beleive this one was picked just because it looks good but it dosnt fit game maker. you had over 500 entrys and I saw plenty of them and I know we can do better than this for game maker. Please it will make a lot of the regular members happy if you atleast take this into consideration, or explain to us what this picture is suppose to represent and how it relates to game maker thats all I ask.
Anyways I dont have anything against anyone Im just trying to help out with making gm8 the best it can be.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:33 am
@Rive
People are going to see the YoYo Games logo before they see the Game Maker logo. Honestly, I think the name “Game Maker” would have a much worse effect than the new logo, and yet the community is still “thriving” (if you can call thousands of babies hating each other a community).
November 28th, 2009 at 4:35 am
Also, I know if I created a logo and I got these awful comments, I’d be really upset. I don’t mean anything against Albert Zak, the logo itself isn’t badly done – it’s just the context in which it’s being used. This will appeal to the younger audience, i.e 8 year olds, who can’t actually make anything decent. And *IF*, like Rive said, it’ll destroy the section of the community that actually creates decent games, the YoYo site will just be a graveyard for adapted platform tutorials.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:38 am
@pocketninja
you are COMPLETELY right! that other logo should be the winning logo for game maker! not the one with the gay smiley! like i said before, smileys are for 3 year olds!!
November 28th, 2009 at 4:44 am
I saw some other logo designs out there and made a little mashup. I do believe that the design of the logo was very good.
I love gears and cogs and whatnot; it seems very engineering-ish, and helps with the toolkit aspect of gamemaker. The smiley, does not.
I believe something more along the line of this would be good. It keeps the DESIGN of the artist, but changes the content.
http://yfrog.com/3dlogoremakej
Disclaimer:: No part of that image was created by me. I merely spliced the winning logo with another member’s entry.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:47 am
@fusion I just posted one exactly like that ^_^ (a few up) I agree completely with you! Just the smiley needed to go.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:50 am
yep I would be happy with that one it would make a lot more sense
November 28th, 2009 at 4:52 am
The smiley has to go… I created this account just to say that.
The logo is perfect with the hammer in the cogs. like Pocket and fusion had just shown… It just looks rancid with it in there. It taints the program…
November 28th, 2009 at 4:52 am
@pocketninja now there’s a great logo. The letter k still looks a little funny, but that’s something that will grow on me.
Provided that both designers agree to merge the logo, both can still be paid and the community comes off happier.
The logo reflects what game maker once was, and what it will continue to be in the future.
@RhysAndrews I must also disagree with what you said about destroying a community. Yes, the people that leave will be insignificant to those who remain, but it may also fail to attract new members (for reasons that I and others have stated in this thread). A logo change as drastic as this is akin to Apple reverting back to their old colourful logo.
Many Apple fans will continue to purchase new iPod’s and iPhones and some will go to the length of selling their iPods (with the old logo) just because they don’t like the new one. The most important thing though here is that Apple will lose new customers because they fail to recognise the iconic icon, and instead misread it to be a cheap knock off. Again, the smart people will do their research and realise that it is in fact the same company – but how many smart people are out there?
November 28th, 2009 at 5:10 am
@Rhys: I totally agree about the name GAME MAKER. For the longest time, I didn’t pay the software any mind at all because of it.
I couldn’t help but think of something like those awful Westwood College commercials, in that it promised something in such a straightforward (and almost pandering) way that you feared it was all ultimately just BS.
Fortunately, that impression was incorrect (about GM at least); but that’s just another barrier that’s going to be there.
I still don’t see how Mr. Smiley is going to ‘destroy’ anything, though. If you’re that superficial to ignore the amazing things that have been done with the program and just walk away over a cute little icon, you probably weren’t going to put any time into it in the first place.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:10 am
I think the logo isn’t that bad, and I can understand why it was chosen.
But in my opinion yoyogames is going the wrong direction. I think this logo would fit better with the yoyogames.com website itself, which is all about “YAY, let’s play games and have fun!”. Game Maker, on the other hand, is a software development engine. Sure it’s fun to make games, but there’s ought to be some seriousness and professionalism to all this. Newcomers to Game Maker aren’t just looking for a fun game creation tool, they are much more looking for power, accessibility and ease of use. The new logo doesn’t convey that.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:22 am
heres my logo
http://i48.tinypic.com/24y21w5.png
November 28th, 2009 at 5:23 am
The logo is good, but it does NOT fit game maker. I think it makes game maker seem like one of those dumb online game editor things that suck!
November 28th, 2009 at 5:26 am
I might just switch to C++… just maybe
November 28th, 2009 at 5:28 am
I made a variation of the current( or OLD) GM LOGO: http://www.gavipico.com/yoyogames/gamemaker.png
November 28th, 2009 at 5:40 am
It looks like something a noob would come up with. And if that is modern than so is the Queen of England. The text is bold ugly and how is a smiley face modern? If you hadn’t noticed Wal-Mart is doing away with theirs. No modern is like the Ipod logo or the new pepsi redesign. More like this: http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5656/gamemakerb.gif
November 28th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Oh Hell No.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:06 am
I cannot believe you handed out $250 for that I think that above all else is the funniest part.
It looks like one of those popup ads for smiley emoticons.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:28 am
hey gaiz, i made new version that all of you gauz shud like: http://www.iaza.com/work/091128C/uuuuu35532.jpg
gimme dem 250 dollars nao lolz.
bancomicsans.com
November 28th, 2009 at 6:33 am
@RhysAndrews
No one really said that it was going to destroy the community,
but the guy who made it won $250, he doesn’t deserve it because the logo is TRASH
I’m not going to stop making games in gamemaker anymore, neither are mist people who are posting here
November 28th, 2009 at 6:50 am
“The mass of you here are morons.” [RhysAndrews] You just made my day
“I might just switch to C++… just maybe” [Andre M.] I’d like to see you try.
“Also, I know if I created a logo and I got these awful comments, I’d be really upset.” [RhysAndrews] I totally agree, to push this thought further, if I choose a logo and I got these awful comments I’d be really upset too. Hang in there Sandy! They’ll get over the change soon enough.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:06 am
No we won’t
This is just awful
November 28th, 2009 at 7:08 am
“They’ll get over the change soon enough.”
It is not about change, I wanted change. I wanted the Yoyo to win. I expected the green man to win. I could deal with the others, but this and the CD Cog were the worst. I had no doubt they would loose because I expected Sandy to be smart. Instead Sandy is going through some mid life crisis or something and wants to act hip and be stupid. So we got trash. He won’t even admit it is trash. Neither the other staff members who are only acting the way they do because they are supporting a product. Everyone knows it is a bad decision except stereotype internet nerds who think it is cool to say LOL out loud in public. Everyone knows it is bad – some just have the guts to say it.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Seriously why would you like this logo, it’s like all they did was google search, “Gear”, And “smiley”, then went on MS paint, slapped the smiley on top of the gear, and wrote “game maker” in generic font next to it, not to mention that you can notice how unprofessional it is just by looking how they spelled Game Maker, it’s supposed to be capitalized, face it, the person who made this doesn’t care about Game Maker, he just wanted 250 bucks
November 28th, 2009 at 7:10 am
@Andy
I agree with what you said, but I personally think that the CD cog was the best
November 28th, 2009 at 7:11 am
The green man and yoyo were pretty good to, but this… this is just trash
November 28th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Okay maybe he does care about Game Maker, but all he really did this for is for the 250 bucks.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:14 am
My first thought upon seeing this logo was “huh. That’s going to take a while to get used to.”
…Then I scrolled down to discover that there were 377 comments about how “this new logo is terrible it has disgraced the name of Game Maker abolish this horrible monster!” …Interspersed with a few “quit complaining you whiny brats it’s not that big a deal!”
…
Is it really that big a deal? o_o I mean, maybe the logo isn’t that great, but I don’t see how it’s supposed to change the fate of the universe. I mean, I judge software by how it works, not by its cheesy icon.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:18 am
To say this is “trash” is unfair to the artist. It’s not trash. I agree that Sandy should rethink his decision. But there’s no need to insult the artist.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:18 am
@Comico
Well I personality did not like the CD cog. It shouldn’t have been categorized with the smiley as I did above though. I would take the CD cog any day over this.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I’d like to see more of his art
Personally I think that the only person that should be in charge of any Game Maker junk should be, the one, the only, Mark Overmars, he did it right. Ball and Hammer all day
November 28th, 2009 at 7:28 am
This could have been better for another program, I just really don’t see what a smiley has to do with GM, programming isn’t exactly “Fun” it’s hard business actually
November 28th, 2009 at 7:43 am
“Personally I think that the only person that should be in charge of any Game Maker junk should be, the one, the only, Mark Overmars, he did it right. Ball and Hammer all day” [Comico]
Well you’ll be glad to hear that Mark did make the decision.
“I will create a short list and Mark Overmars and I will decide on the winner(s) as soon as possible.” [Sandy]
November 28th, 2009 at 7:43 am
:’(
I Just hate it. I preffered the Green guy one.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:46 am
What has Game Maker become
November 28th, 2009 at 7:51 am
And by Mark Overmars should handle it, I meant he should be the one designing it
November 28th, 2009 at 8:08 am
MOTHS waiting for the new logo. Waiting for something proffesional, modern and GM Like… for this?? I feel so disappointed.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:09 am
*months
November 28th, 2009 at 8:10 am
look at mine if u like the old one
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6576/0cc637a53575520f50f63aa.png
November 28th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Posting this here and at Game Maker Blog, just because I’m really amazed at all this. I really don’t understand this fervor.
Really, you’re going to be embarrassed to have the icon on your desktop? You’re never going to use Game Maker again? People are going to think it’s just for kids?
Not to discount the vast number of fourteen-year-olds making fan-games screaming at each other on the GMC, but I’d like to think most of the people who are going to be interested in Game Maker and going to use for the long-term– as opposed to those many who download it, despair at the learning curve, and begin whining about how it’s impossible to make anything good with it– are mature enough to not let the logo dissuade them; those who are dissuaded are unlikely to have the intelligence, patience, and maturity to use the tool well.
And even if someone does decide, “Oh, bro, this is totes for kids, bro, I’m leaving this whack stuff alone and going to download Construct instead”– what does it matter? He likely wouldn’t make particularly interesting games otherwise, if that’s his attitude. How does this affect us?
Or do you think that if someone sees that logo, they’ll think that your game is “kiddie stuff”, that it’s not worth playing? Well, again, the kind of person who avoids “kiddie stuff” is likely the kind of person who isn’t going to be playing/downloading freeware games anyway. If they did play your game, they’d probably give it a one-star rating and imply that you are homosexual, which from them is probably meant some kind of insult.
But, of course, since you bought the professional edition of Game Maker anyway, they’re never going to see that logo in the first place. Hold onto this, we’re going to come back to it in the next paragraph.
I’m not saying people can’t have or voice opinions– that is, after all, what the internet is for– but I don’t understand the ire this has raised. Unless you’re just passionate about Game Maker and YoYo Games and want them to succeed, and you feel that this new logo is not going to invite new customers in but rather alienate them. In which case, if you’re so concerned, you’ve already bought the professional edition (told you I’d come back to it!).
And you certainly weren’t part of the thread way back when that was sniping about how people who bought version seven should get version eight for free, regardless of when they purchased seven, because– I don’t know, I never really got a coherent response from anyone, just a lot of expressions of entitlement. You didn’t go on about how YoYo is greedy (for not wanting to go bankrupt) or some such nonsense, because you do, after all, want them to succeed.
I’m just trying to point out how ridiculous this fervor is. Signing a petition is ridiculous. This is not some great injustice that needs to be corrected. This is not some betrayal of the community.
This is not a bad decision on YoYo’s part– because 100% of good game designers don’t care what the icon is, and 100% of game players certainly don’t care. Both groups are concerned with the same thing: good games. And Game Maker is tool to make them– nothing more and nothing less. If the icon is a smiley face or if the icon is a vampire frat-boy with blood bags strapped to his double-drip beer helmet, the language and features are the exact same. The professional-ness, the quality, the maturity of your games– and, ultimately, the success of YoYo and Game Maker– are dependent on what you do with those features and resolutely not the logo.
If YoYo removes the ability to save games, then you have grounds to complain. If they put advertising in your games, then you should sign a petition. This? This is just silly, people.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:26 am
@tomrussell – 100% of good game designers don’t care what the icon is
–
If the good game designers don’t care of what icon is. Tell us why are the people posting here and signing the petition hating the new logo. Tell us why the 8% of the people voted for it.
More worked and proffesional logos where maded and published onto the sites, like the green-hammer guy, or the disc one. But smiley’s arent a logo, they’re for chat, not for apps.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Nobody voted for this, just 45 votes of 552.
The people decided why were better, and the CD and cog where what they decided, with 215 votes.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
*decided WHAT were better.
Sorry for mispellings
November 28th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Hello all,
I didn´t know about this contest !
The chosen logo seems fine for some game advertising. But maybe a logo that reemsembles some of past GM glories could be cool too.
well, I know it´s kinda late now but here it´s my logo
http://www.ntomedia.com/gamemakerlogo.html
This logo have the hammer, to forge things, plus has the forging yellowish color present. It also has squares in the circle simbolizing some aspects of the game making. and another square in the background simbolizing the game idea.
I know this is coming late, but it could be of help for improving or creating other logos that can have some of the old GM aspects revitalized.
Ah, if for some reason GM chooses my logo as an alternative for the v 8.1 or future versions, a free GM8 license would be awesome!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 9:02 am
*decided what WAS better, actually.
Unfortunately, Criseg, this isn’t a democracy. If companies had to listen to petitions and straw polls, then:
- Photoshop would be free;
- there’d be no reality TV;
- and we’d all be playing Kid Icarus 7.
That’s not the way the world works, nor should it work in that fashion. The decision is not yours or mine to make, but rather Mr. Duncan’s and Mr. Overmars’s. Personally, I think they made the right decision, but that’s neither here nor there because my argument isn’t about what logo is best/better but rather the way people are acting about the decision.
“If the good game designers don’t care of what icon is. Tell us why are the people posting here and signing the petition hating the new logo.”
I want to be clear: I didn’t mean to imply any insult when I said “good game designers don’t care about the icon”. I meant it not to be descriptive but prescriptive– I meant to persuade those here that are capable of being persuaded that this behaviour (this whining, this sense of entitlement, this doom-and-gloom, this “you’ve ruined it forever!”) is beneath them, and that the logo ultimately *shouldn’t* matter to any game designer worth his salt.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Actually,
It’s sort’f embarrassing confessing to people I program in a piece of software called “Game Maker”. It really gives the power it has a bad name.
YoYo Games and Game Maker should be separated in many ways – YoYo Games is a form of publishing, Game Maker is a form of developing that which is published. It’s like if Youtube released a tool for editing movies (or have they already?).
November 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am
over 80% say the design sucks. Well, it sucks. The other top ranked choices should’ve won tenfold. Enough said. Don’t forget to join the petition against this. 418 people / 500 people, it won’t be long now!
November 28th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Also, Albert Zak itself didn’t liked it result:
“The 2nd one (cog w/ smiley) is my finalist entry. I don’t really like any of them (yea, mine included :b), mostly by the reasons already stated. Would have loved an 2010ified version of the hammer…”
November 28th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Fail. Epic fail. Never using Game Maker again.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:22 am
One more thing before I call it a night: how did you first learn of Game Maker? Was it from playing a really awesome game that was made with it? Did you do a Google search for game development tools? Did you read about on Wikipedia, as I did? Or did someone show you a logo and demand that you choose it or toss it away?
Game Maker has a reputation; it’s often at the top of any list of game development engines and tools. Anyone who is serious about game design or wants to get into it would come across that information before downloading it. And, armed with that information, why would they balk when they saw the new logo? I think the new Criterion Collection logo is vastly inferior to the old one, but that’s not going to stop me or anyone else from buying their DVDs.
This uproar is predicated on the fallacy that the vast majority of people looking to get into game design are really, really stupid and use logos to determine their downloads and eventual purchases instead of researching something or doing a cursory five minute Google search.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
I just showed my brother the logo, without explaining anything to him beforehand.
Here’s what he said, “It looks too cheesy, and you couldn’t do anything serious with it.”
My thoughts on the matter is that the image itself looks pretty good, but it really isn’t what Game Maker is. Game Maker is a powerful tool for creating games. This logo puts off a vibe that it’s a primitive tool for, well, eight-year-olds. I don’t mean it in a bad way, but It just doesn’t fit.
I really think that you should reconsider your decision about the logo. Please.
-Camman
November 28th, 2009 at 9:37 am
@Criseg: maybe you should see mine:
http://www.ntomedia.com/gamemakerlogo.html
Maybe we can all work together by bringing some more ideas. Maybe not for this version but for the others that will come.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Everyone I have show the logo to in real life has said things about it I don’t wish to repeat here. (Negative things.) My programing buds give me responses like, “hahahahah” and “that is retarded” etc. Nice presentation Sandy.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Not bad, Malalex, I like it
November 28th, 2009 at 9:52 am
You really see this cool 3.jpg-logo? There was 2.jpg-logo, I’m not author of it, but I like it and create to me (and all, who like this logo) pack of icons with 2.jpg-logo (really, it’s 3.jpg-logo, but with one crashed edge). There this icons (all sizes – and single, and from one size to other (for example, from 48 to 16): http://www.teg.gm-rus.ru/gm_crashed_icons.zip
P.S. Logo from this topic is UGLY.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Adding another link for this throw together between logos that was made, it’s 20x better then the version with the smiley which looks very unprofessional. This and change the k, and capitalize the first letter of the words and you’re set.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll132/wppktninja/LogoCombo.png
November 28th, 2009 at 10:18 am
The logo isn’t bad. However it doesn’t fit Game Maker at all. Looks more like something you’d find on Yahoo then anything you’d see on a professional game making tool.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
I liked the one presented by pocketninja and fusionpro. They were the same except with a stylified hammer rather than a childish smiley.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Hay Sandy, you forgot to capitalize Game Maker. You could just switch to another logo instead of editing that one.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Here, made a bit of cleanups to the way this logo should look. Gave it the right red color, and capitalized and fixed the letters.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4859/gm8logo.png
November 28th, 2009 at 11:24 am
@Razon now this is what I would like to see every time I open my computer.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Sign petition against this blasted logo:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8#
Since 03″ never have I been in such outrage, it was bad enough Yoyo acquiring the Game Maker franchise, but having such a silly.. Pointless logo is too far. There is far better logos people have posted.
You are really showing your age.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
this logo is terrible! I support this petition, and it give an effect.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
@Krisando I signed it, first online petition I have ever cared to sign.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I think some of you are being a bit harsh on Zak for a first – at least he bothered to MAKE a logo. I’ve seen some of the entrants and many of them are quite poorly made. This logo, on the other is of a high quality, and even if its not your taste, you have to admit that its pretty good-looking logo. Well Done Zak.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
The quality of the logo is great, but, as people have said, the context is completely wrong.
http://www.yoyogames.com/games/show/104759
Sandy, if you’re not going to change it, then why not give this logo to GM8 Lite, but make a new one for GM8 Pro? Your sales would rocket.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Here, improved good ol’ gm logo.
I made that in half an hour, imagine what i could do in a day, given the time.
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6640/gm8logorev.png
November 28th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
And here, even more refinement.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6640/gm8logorev.png
November 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
“Your sales would rocket.”
This is a good idea, that way I can be happy – and Sandy can live out his fantasy of thinking it is ok to use that logo.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I forgot say this – where is connection with YoYoGames? There no green color at all, so where you can see YoYoGames Logo?
This smile with it eyes… may be you change it?
There many replies with links to changed (or really new) logos. I think, you must choose something with this old-good hammer in circle (may be circle in new color).
Or this gear, but with hammer and nice circle. Or something REALLY new, but with some connection to old GM. But not this smile.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
this is obviously worse.
Dear Sandy
Would you Please show us all the Last 4 (or 5)logos candidated for the prize ?
Im sure there is a logical and fairly reason for this.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Here, maybe this will tickle your fancy.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6640/gm8logorev.png
I rest my case.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
and it took you guys so long to chose this??? it looks like its random chosen.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
That isn’t really my choice but it’s a well executed logo, I’m just not sure if the smily is appropriate.
Anyway, I’m not really worried – It’s a good logo and it’ll probably grow on me in time. Besides, it’s only a logo – Game Maker’s still Game Maker.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Compare the new logo and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbqUvZ1Ja84
No difference.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
This logo is terrible what has a smiley face go to do with making games?… They Should Of let the users of game maker vote!
November 28th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
[...] possibly thought that this was OK? here, if you want to see the blog post for yourself, see here: http://glog.yoyogames.com/?p=622 It’s looks like the smiley face is F***ING INSANE. Not to seem like a troll or anything, but [...]
November 28th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
1. Replace the smiley with ND’s hammer on an orange field. Orange symbolizes happiness, there you go.
2. Capitalize the name.
3. Reduce font size for more distance between G and M.
4. Line up the letters vertically (e nd r, G and M – M needs vertical sides, too).
Also, it’s been said a hundred times over already, but people do judge the book by its cover. When I was choosing a CMS to learn, I received four recommendations and selected one because I liked their site best.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
500 votes in petition!
November 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
501 VOTES
!!!!
and now what?
November 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Use this logo for a gamemaker for kids or something…
November 28th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
I would first like to congratulate the creator of this logo Albert Zak.
Secondly i’d like to say that, given my choice, the logo would have been
the one with a cd inside a gear.
This would have been my last choice but, i still think in is ok-ish
What is not ok-ish is that (i have actually calculated this) 97.429 percent of people are putting the logo down.
I personally agree that, yes a smilyface does depict gm as childish, but if you dont like it then you can change the actual icon on the program it isent that hard.
also; having this as the logo will not ruin Gm’s image.
@sandy: I may be okay with this logo but a lot of other people are not. You should explain to them why you picked it.
I personally am behind yoyo 99.99999999999999999 to the 99999th power percent.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Congratulations, Albert.
The logo looks fresh, smooth and creative. I wonder why the smiley is looking up
The only thing which hasn’t convinced me yet is the Game Maker text next to the logo, but I’ll get used to it.
For those who don’t like the logo, I respect that, but you’ll also have to respect the choice of the owners of Game Maker.
It’s too late to start suggesting new or modified logo’s. The choice has been made, live with it.
(I admit not having read all the previous comments, I currently lack the time…)
November 28th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Trollsplatterer
“”"It’s too late to start suggesting new or modified logo’s. The choice has been made, live with it.”"”
You say that as if they gave us a period of time to officially give our opinions on it before they chose it, there was only a poll on the non-official GameMakerBlog which the smiley logo placed last in.
Heck if it’s about the money that they put out then I’d front the the $250 for them to change it, and to stop them from disgracing GM with such a thing.
Not to mention when there’s so many better choices, from both a business and personal perspective of it- I think that they’re very much making the wrong decision. They could just use the smiley for advertising instead then if they still want to use that, but it definitely does not belong as the official game maker logo or icon- but more so as an emoticon maker logo and icon instead.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Snailman: yes, this logo won’t ruin GM’s image, because it’s ALREADY RUINED. it will just make things a little worse.
Yoyo should change rather the name of the program instead of logo, which was just ok.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 28th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
CMON! did MARK choose this?
November 28th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
I SWEAR THAT THE SMILEY IS ON CRACK!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
@tomrussell
*wipes tear* Just beautiful, man. Couldn’t have said it better myself!
People already look down on others homebrew games solely based on the fact that they were made in GM, without ever actually playing them. How much worse is it to turn your nose up at someone’s hard work over a silly smiley icon? That’s kinda the attitude I see here…
If a cute, ‘kiddie’ icon is that much of a threat to your masculinity that you’re just going to shelve game projects you might have been working on for weeks or months, I think it’s safe to say you have better things (psychologically) to worry about.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I have now posted a game to fight back at the spammers who have killed the image of the new logo. You can find it at http://www.yoyogames.com/games/show/104843 .I bet it will be downrated by a million people.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
I think that too many people are complaining about a superfluous (spelt right?) logo. Who actually cares about it?
November 28th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
its now been rated 1.0 by 2 members. case in point…
November 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Sorry, 1.0 by 3 members.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
@nuber43:
Way to steal my logo with the “G” and the wrench.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
It would be ok for them to change the logo to a green shade just to give the feeling of change with YoYo Games like the GMC updated view. But to just tear apart everything the program is good for is just terrible.
This place is beginning to look like a cheap flash game making site that has nothing but a million replicas of the same example.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
“Or did someone show you a logo and demand that you choose it or toss it away?”
Logos don’t always make or break the deal, but they are a part of the first impression. If it was all you saw (and that’s why you have logos in the first place) then it would be really easy to reject it.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Sandy, we’ve beaten you. On the petition 523 people signed, beating the goal of 500 by 23. Therefore, you have to change the logo back, (or use this one: indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg)
November 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
$250 for THAT!? If you’re so careless with money, just make GM Pro free. That would be better then some disgusting new logo.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
GM8LogoSucks is right. The goal has been reached. Check for yourself.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/
I really don’t see why you allowed a plagiarized, gay Yahoo logo to be the winner.
But since the requirements of the petition has been met… change it.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Imma really happy for you, and imma let you finish, But the ball and hammer was the best GM logo of all time!
November 28th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
I think im the only one that want that logo…
November 28th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Mr. McCoy, Mr. LogoSucks:
You act as if the petition is some kind of remedy to what you perceive as an untenable situation. It’s not. Whether you get 500 signatures or 5000, it doesn’t “win” or “beat” Sandy, just because you decided on some arbitrary goal.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Am I the only one that actually kinda likes the logo? Please, this reminds of everytime GameFAQs gets a new redesign: people freak and want the old one back. No one likes change, but it happens, and I’ve learned from that. Please keep in mind that this is technically NOT a professional system; it’s an easy game creation system, therefore, the smiley fits just fine.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I think people who can’t see what the big deal is don’t actually seem to understand what a logo is for. If I had seen this new one the first time I found Game Maker’s website all them years ago I wouldn’t have even bothered downloading the program having thought it was some cheap looking piece of garbage based on the first impression I got from the image. I don’t agree with comments made against the image’s creator. It’s not his fault it was picked although he has profited from it. As a longtime GM user I feel this new logo change is massively bad choice and would give people unfamiliar with the program the wrong idea about the software itself and the vast majority of it’s skilled users who devote a lot of their free time to creating quality content with Game Maker.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
And by the way as mentioned before, the similarity between this and the Yahoo Messenger smiley is so clearly apparent I wouldn’t be surprised if Yahoo contact Yoyo about it.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
You gotta be kidding me.
It sucks in every possible way.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I made a quick one, using the current one’s gear thingy and the other one posted earlier.
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/lurkies/gmlogo.png
I am not a fan of the smiley face logo. I don’t like programs laughing at me
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November 28th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Poofonch, we vote not for discard all changes. We vote for discard THIS LOGO. Im too dont like older logo, It was a bad. But this new logo peace of sh*t.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
WHOA!!!! nice job Lurk, I like that one a lot better
November 28th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Really though, when I came on the site before I saw the smiley in the ad box and though “Eurgh! That’s the most inapproppriate advert I’ve seen on the net! Ooo! The new logog has been decided” Click! “Oh…”
November 28th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
The smiley face logo sucks, it gives a bad first impression, it looks cheap, cliche, and the gear, the only thing that makes sense, is overshadowed by the gigiantically annoying and dumb smiley-face… >=(
November 28th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
logo*
November 28th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
lurk’s is WAY better looking, it looks more professional and way less childish.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Splean’s logo FTW! indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg
November 28th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Though Lurk’s is pure awesome too!
November 28th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Im sorry, i tried to like it. It just looks so unprofessional, looks like something i would see on cbeebies. I get that game maker probably typically is aimed at a young audience. But with a logo like that you may lose the attention of an older potential gm customer.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
GM8Logosucks- I used Splean’s rendition for the hammer inside. I also thought it was pretty good- only one thing, the small pixels, I was afraid would not render well when used as an icon(32×32).
November 28th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
People should stop posting their logo’s all over the place. Really, just because you think it’s better then the one at the top, most of them aren’t.
That said, I still don’t like the new one.
“OMG I think I will go to bed (soon) having nightmares of a logo with a hammer in it !! Em last time I saw a logo with a hammer it was the Soviet Union or…was it Game Maker… ?? Maybe I’m not up to date with the 1960’s ??” – Sandy
No one likes this new logo. Don’t just ignore what everyone feels – the little I know about how companies run, is that they usually try to make their target audience happy – not angry and disappointed.
But then again, I know nothing about how companies run, never trying to run one myself, so don’t take my word for it.
I also realize that whenever there is change, people will complain no matter what. But usually it’s a small minority that just yells really loudly. But in this case, I think it a large majority that’s yelling really loud.
Cheers.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
I’m absolutely delighted to tell you that your logo sucks and that your attempts to make GM popular with the kiddies by switching a logo to something hilariously hideous are ridiculous.
But I like how the logo smilie looks like it’s saying “please shoot me I, can’t take this anymore” through the tears.
I agree with hundreds of other users who think that this is a joke, and an unfunny one, too.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
By the way, here’s a better logo, by Ace02:
http://ace02.com/blastin.jpg
Not that much of a difference, tbh.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
@Lurk: EXCELLENT job. That is one of the best-looking and most professional modernized logos I’ve ever seen. Sandy would be insane to go with the smiley instead of that.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
WELL… FIRST of all… This icon is well made! BUT… IT DOES NOT REPRESENT GAME MAKER AT ALL! Game maker is an amazing roduct! And the person who made this, you are an amazing artist! But, for Game Maker’s LOGO, you need something professional! I have an idea. Take away that REALLY happy simley face, and put the good ol’ ball & hammer there! Close, and good try buddy. Not good for game maker.
Neatness:10/10
Well made:9/10
Up-to-date:6/10
Kiddy:11/10
Good for Game Maker’s logo: -1/10
Thats all I have to say.
-Democon Games
November 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Great logo choice!
Might I suggest a new feature that can put this amazing new logo to good use?
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o67/MCBooga/gm8.jpg
November 28th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Sorry for the double post. WOW LURK! Lurk has an amazing version of that thing you call an icon! Ill re-post the link.
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk276/lurkies/gmlogo.png
IT ROCKS!
November 28th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I think the logo is terrible in regards to Game Maker. It doesn’t fit Game Maker at all. The logo itself isn’t bad, it just isn’t fitting, it’s unprofessional. It doesn’t seem serious.
I really like this logo: http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg
A modernized, stylized version of the logo we’ve all come to know and love. As others have said, it’s the face of Game Maker. The hammer symbolizes productivity, and that’s what Game Maker is: a productivity tool for quickly creating games (and/or prototyping other applications).
This has nothing to do with resistance to change. The fact of the matter is, most of the respected, experienced, active users of Game Maker and the Game Maker Community dislike the logo because it doesn’t fit. Look at any major community site. Game Maker Games, 64digits, even your very own blog are opposed to the new logo. Please, instead of ignorantly combating all opposition to the logo, take our word that this is not the best step for Game Maker.
That being said, anyone remember the banner competition about 6 years ago for the GMC? That was good, we got relevant entries
November 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
@Sandy:
I must say I think the giant smiley face is a bit embarrassing… maybe I’m just getting too old for gamemaker’s demographic. (21) perhaps it’s time to move on to Unity, Torque, or XNA.
After all, gamemaker is “geared” toward young kids who want to learn more about making games… right?
Another thing to consider… I think you may want to have the artist redesign the smiley face on the inside. his eyes confuse me. It looks like he’s crying, not looking up.
@Lurk:
That looks pretty good. I don’t see Sandy liking that one though… he specifically said he didn’t want the hammer anymore.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Amazing work for an quick poke. I like it!
November 28th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
(I was talking of the LURK job)
November 28th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Oh My God. What the **** is happing when you choose the stupid smiley and you also had this opportunity:
http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg
I really hope the smiley was a bad joke.
@Lurk: Great job
November 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
The lurk one is nice, but it’s a bit dark and too messy for an icon in my opinion- something simple clean and bright is always the best way to go.
On a side note it’s a shame that the hammer isn’t wanted anymore, because I think that the following looks great and very modernized- as you can see in this screenshot from windows 7.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/19/gm8logowindows7.png
Blends perfect, something that’s nice looking to have on the desktop.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Of course no-one keeps icons at that size, just an example of course- that’s why stuff needs to look good small.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
I don’t find this logo bad or anything, but the following would work better for increasing the stats (views-downloads-sales) of Game Maker:
http://vadim647.at.ua/temp3.png
(Make your game. Make your world. Game Maker
November 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Did you guys do a trademark search?
Do you know you have to license smilies? http://www.smileylicensing.com/
If Warner Bros and The Watchmen do, so do you.
Did you do a “gear logo” search engine search?
IMHO, the quality of the logo is great. The potential legal hoops you might have to jump through later on might not be worth it.
The logo doesn’t mesh well with any type of game engine or development tool, regardless of the market it is for. When I see the gear and smiley, it makes me think of tools for making your own smilies, or an HR “team building” corporate logo.
My .34 cents. Congrats on picking one!
November 28th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I’m very proud of my new logo I made
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6306/gmlogo.png
November 28th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I feel many things at this new logo, but i feel many more things at the fact that Sandy is ignoring us. sure, the logo is well made, but what does it have to do with Game Maker?
“that reflected the fun and excitement that we feel is there for poeple who MAKE as well as PLAY games”
its a game development engine for Crying out loud! its frustrating and takes years to get anything decent out of it! i dont sit there using Gamemaker with a freakish grin on my face, i don’t jump up and down with excitement as it loads the .gmk! As a user of Game Maker for 2 years, I’ve always had trouble getting the “professionals” to respect my hard work, and now with this logo, i fear i wont even be able to do that! I really love Game Maker, i find it to be a very professional program, but this sends the wrong message. i also have to wonder what’s up with the font… is that a K or an R?
November 28th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I’ve been trying to decide whether or not I would buy GM8. I’ve started learning Visual Basic, and it’s getting to the point where I could start to use that instead. I finally decided that I would buy it when I opened up the website and saw that logo. I would be embarrassed to spend $25 on something with that logo and I will definitely not be buying GM8 if it does not change. I’ve always thought of gamemaker as a pretty professional program, enough so to make up for the name but it’s going to lose all credibility if you go with this thing.
Don’t bother @ing me – i’m only ever going to look at the main page now to see if that logo’s gone yet so I won’t see it
I’m just get back to my Visual Basic..
November 28th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Ok now time for my opinion.
I like this new logo, it is simple and looks good in my opinion. I am quite embarrassed for the people who say they will not buy GM8 because of the logo, it is down-right childish and petty and i am sure most of it is because their logo was not picked. The logo is a good change and i support it all the way.
Finally; WHO CARES GUYS?? It’s a logo! It’s not going to change your game developing experience! Some of you need to grow up. Big time. :/
-Josh Sullivan
November 28th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
BTW To the guy who made the logo: Good job mate, i do like it.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
btw, Sandy, fix this bug with smileys. They should not appear on the left of the text all the time (make them stick there only in case of “<smileycode" instead of "smileycode"?)
November 28th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
That new logo is AWFUL.
I made a relevant image to the Totally Looks Like section of Cheezburger.com.
http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=2892570368
Please vote!
November 28th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
lol you guys are funny! so umm wheres the real logo?
November 28th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
you guys arnt going to change this are you?
well great your embarassing the whole communty while that thing is up….
November 28th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Finally, a game maker logo which reflects my age. I have been waiting for this day ever since I started using Game Maker. Thank you.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Oy, did they change that clown-logo yet?
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6640/gm8logorev.png
November 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Also, not related to this article, but this site fails. The navigation bar links to W3′s XHTML validator with the text “Valid XHTML” yet the page actually has 13 errors. LOL.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Well, I’ve decided. I’m not gonna get GM8. I’d rather use GM7pro instead having to see that face when using GM8 ._. I’m a big fan of game maker but that just isn’t a good logo for it.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
@CloudVIIX
Grow up sunshine
I do pity you :/
November 28th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
okay I’m just gunna run on through this
A. This is a well made logo
B. Just not for Game Maker
C. That Smiley was laughing at me in my dreams last night, terrifying…
D. I doubt that they even give a crap what we think.
E. Is it right for the leader of a company to relate it’s products logo to the Soviet freaking Union?
November 28th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Check out the source of this page…
I smell a code injection… or a really bad joke.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Oh, and just so you all know, If this stays the icon and at the top of the GM8 screen I see a smiley face like this, I will just use the great ‘ol Game Maker 7. Good picture. Terrible for game maker.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Firstly: I’m not a fan of the redesigned logo. However, I won’t go as far as to say I’ll ban GM8 or GM in general because of it.
Secondly: The design isn’t horrible, but [in my opinion] it’s “in your face” design doesn’t do justice to the Game Maker Image, especially to thode of us who would like Game Maker to be taken a bit more seriously.
Lastly: I think that the winner should keep their prize [as they won it fairly], but a panel of the top 5-8 logos should be presented for the community to vote for, and a new logo selected by yoyogames with the comunities input in mind.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6306/gmlogo.png my Logo is awesome
November 28th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I’m very unimpressed with this logo. If you we’re catering towards a 10 year audience, I’d be all for it, but this is just ridiculous for the rest of us.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Hey is Sandy really a male? It souldns like a feminine name. Well, anyways, I have to agree. Comico’s icon is better than THIS! (Well… kinda…) You dont even need the hammer! On the GMC and the GMF, they showed 4 of the top icons. There was a CD mized with a gear, and a really well made yoyo with a “GM” inside it. Did Mark help pick this? Because him, of ALL PEOPLE, would know to have the community vote. Yeah, I’ve done aton of posts. Horrah. Take this so called “icon” off and use some other one that shows this isnt some ben10 game creater thing.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
I have a question…
When you make a executable in GM7 the icon is a red ball without the hammer..
Whats it going to be in GM8? a Cog with no smiley face?
November 28th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
I thought this logo was nice.
http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg
November 28th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Aw, what a disappointment. No offence against the artist because the logo is professionally drawn and has a simple and clean design which is good. But I just don’t think that the logo will do any good for Game Maker as a product. The reason I say so, is because it’s too childish and will most likely scare everyone above 12 years of age away from the product.
Perhaps you guys should make a top 10 list of logos and let the community vote for the best. Or at least, get rid of the smiley. It will just be too embarrassing for me as an engineer student (And other “older people”) to have that logo on my desktop or telling people to go and download Game Maker, to for example simulate different process-optimize situations. Game Maker needs to be taken more seriously as a product and therefor needs a more serious logo. The gear is a good start, but just replace the smiley with something, like the good old hammer or perhaps some text etc.
..anyways.. Still exited to see GM 8.0 and best of luck with the logo.
- Jeggi
November 28th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
It looks like people are happy with the newness of the cog on the outside of the logo. I agree that this was a good idea. in fact, I’m enjoying watching how much inspiration this is bringing different people to make variations of the cog-with-something-inside design.
I especially enjoyed the slogan “Make your game. Make your world. Game Maker.” The colors used in the banner for it also looked great. obviously, the earth in the center was a bit to complex.
At any rate, all this to say… I think it’d be great if we could put something inside the cog that better represented the program. A super happy smiley face just doesn’t quite capture the idea for me.. Someone made a great point to it looking like a logo for a smiley creation program.
I’m actually willing to bet you find enough people adamant enough about the logo that they’d donate to getting another one made. A “round two” if you will… just tell the competitors why this logo won, and what elements you’d like to see mimicked for the final logo. I.E. A gear with something inside.
Good luck determining how to respond to this uproar! haha.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Okay, first of all, I think everyone should stop posting links to logos they made real quick in hopes that it’ll become the new logo. Too bad, it’s already passed. As badly as the logo sucked, if people wanted to win, they wouldn’t have waited until the piece of crap logo already came out.
What we can hope though is that Sandy or someone looks at this and realizes “Holy crap, they hate it” and decide to either let us vote on the final five logos or something.
But needless to say, considering they’re just a money grubbing corporation that doesn’t care what anyone thinks as long as they get money, I’m sadly doubting that it’s gonna change…
But we can only hope.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
@Chris McCoy and others:
It seems a bit unfair to call YoYo Games a “money grubbing corporation”… among other insults I’ve seen on here.
They’ve proven time and time again that a money grubbing corporation is exactly what they AREN’T.
They don’t accept donations, they sell their program for only $25, they have an open beta where Mark added many requests as well as fixed bugs… not to mention Sandy surely spends many hours reading and responding to feedback in order to best fit the community.
A good leader would never sway from a decision hours after making because he/she knows a relatively small portion of people don’t like it.
Now please, make your point so those at YoYo Games can consider it. but don’t put down the company in hopes to manipulate them into what you want. it won’t work, and if anything, will only make them ignore you because you aren’t willing to make your point politely and fairly.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
i liked old logo a lot,
i see this and it makes me think im on child page
wtf is this
my logo is better
November 28th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
This is a good logo but this is not the image yoyo needs GM to set.
The logo is childish and you are just attracting more childish users.
Keep it professional and simple.
If you decide to continue with logo, DRM and all the other stupid power plays you guys do, I will not upgrade my site license, pull my games for yoyogames.com and donate money to Messy Minds. Just make the thing open source and focus on the web portions of GM.
My thoughts,
FOX
November 28th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Hello, I come from the future and would like to warn you that using this logo will destroy the what is now, good, community.
Choosing this logo will attract children who will strip this community of everything it has gained.
You will not make money, because children simply cannot pay $25.
Even google will let you know, YoYo Games WILL fail if you use this logo.
I suggest you google “logo that destroyed community” and look at the second result.
Sandy, you say that the community now doesn’t care about game maker because they are voicing their opinion on the logo, yet YOU are the one who DOES NOT respect the communities wishes. You should be ashamed.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
(looks at date) – ok its not April 1st…
(looks at title) – ok its not GM8 Jr…
somthing is wrong here… I’m sorry but although I haven’t been here for very long I personaly would like this for a first impression. The hammer made me think “Build” and it looked pretty professional, or serious.
If I first saw this, I’d think “Child’s program” and lets not forget the default icon on the bottem, now in a big icon for windows 7 a smiley face with a gear when your trying to make a game thats filled with war.
I know some people still use GM6 over 7 and I think I might use GM7 over 8 unless I can edit this icon…
It also does NOT match with ANY icons on my desktop.. its like “violent violent violent symbol SMILE!!!! symbol violent violent
November 29th, 2009 at 12:01 am
The new logo looks incredibly childish. Nobody will think GM is a real programming language if this logo is the first thing they see when visiting the website. And I definitely don’t want this logo on my desktop. I think I will just change the logo back manually.
Sign this petition if you agree:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
560 supporters so far. In one day.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:06 am
@thefuture
It was victoria’s secret…
What does V.S. have to do with this?
November 29th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Also, leave Sandy alone.
Whats done is done. If they won’t change it, oh well. But its a great program and nothing will change that. Sure, the logo isn’t too great, but looks are deceiving.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:15 am
@Sithen
It’s a link to a topic on the GMC actually. and I was meant to say “Look at the third link down”
Although now, I may as well just say, look at the first five results. you will find that this link is there: http://gmc.yoyogames.com/lofiversion/index.php/t426367.html
Which shows that a failed logo + YoYo Games = GMC and GM8
November 29th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Eh… I don’t really think I care what happens from here… They’ll release Game Maker 8, I’ll get it, I’ll change the icon, I’ll be happy. As embarrassing as that logo is, it doesn’t matter.
YoYo Games, on the other hand, SHOULD care about the image it might give… seriously, it DOES look plagiarized and they could get sued for it.
And @Aviox: I’m stating my opinion, NOT being manipulative. I can probably pick some people out who are being manipulative though (not going to.) But I say that because it’s a business; very few care about their customers as long as they get paid. And it’s true with just about any business. You think Wal-Mart cares if you have a problem with what they’re selling? Don’t count on it. I just don’t expect any different here.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Either i’m an idiot, or you have no point.
I don’t see how what your saying makes sense.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Erm.. that was for the future.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:28 am
I agree that the logo is quite a bit unprofessional. It might look pretty cool in a game, but it really does not fit Game Maker well.
The gear aspect is ok, but the emoticon is passe (outmoded), and frankly a tad creepy. I would not like to stare at this logo, (or this logo to stare at me!), all day.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:33 am
@sandy
OI! NO! WERE NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH THIS PEICE OF CR*P THAT DONT REPRESENT SH*T. DO THE COMP AGAIN, AND THIS TIME, LET OUR VOTE COUNT FOR THE MAJORITY
November 29th, 2009 at 12:35 am
btw, i signed up JUST to say that
November 29th, 2009 at 12:42 am
I really like thne modificatiom someone did, they swapped te smiley face with a high quality ball with hammer, that looked awesome!!
November 29th, 2009 at 12:45 am
@DingleNutZ…Wow, mind the caps?
And I take back what I said.
I Probably won’t Download 8, I’m happy with 7 as of right now. I myself am fine with the logo, it’s a great piece of work but I still think it doesn’t fit Yoyogames or game maker. I’m not sure it’ll help with those who are new to the program either. I can actually picture my cousin saying “This is a n00b program!” Without him actually even checking it out. I don’t want that happening to Game maker by everyone D:
November 29th, 2009 at 12:45 am
oh and it looks like the smiley is crying O.o…
November 29th, 2009 at 12:46 am
i mentioned that yesterday
it makes it look shabby, i thought Game editor was a NOOB program cos it had a smiley for a logo…
November 29th, 2009 at 12:47 am
Crying that its such an awful logo perhaps?
Just kidding.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:00 am
I believe it would be in the best interest for Game Maker to change this logo. I have been using Game Maker for about half of a year, and I love it. I would not wish for the company to lose business over something as simple as a logo.
Logos are very important. A logo is a name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite recognition. Personally, if I looked at the logo without knowing what it was for, I would think it would be a symbol for a child’s toy company.
Now, don’t get me wrong, the logo looks amazing. You can tell the creator spent a lot of time on it, but, in my opinion, it does not fit its purpose.
If I were looking around on the web for a 2d game development program, and I stumbled upon yoyogames with that disturbingly happy smiley laughing at me, I would immediately return to my search engine. The immaturity of it reminds me of http://scratch.mit.edu/.
Many people buy things just because of the logo. If people didn’t care about logos, expensive clothing brands would be out of business. A logo is the symbol that represents a company. If you do not want to be taken seriously, by all means, keep this logo, but, if you would like to keep Game Maker a program that people take seriously, you may want to consider changing it.
I love Game Maker and the Game Maker Community. I would not be writing this if I did not. If you do not decide to change the logo it is not going make me stop using the program, but it may discourage others.
Sincerely,
Tyler Harwood
November 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
YEAH THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!
November 29th, 2009 at 1:07 am
I think I’ll stick with GM7 after seeing this.
I’m not bashing the logo for being bad; It just doesn’t fit GM.
Smiley Faces were cool in ’04. But that time is long gone, and the Game Maker logo looks generic and bland.
I’m torn because I wanted GM8 so much. Mainly for the code editor… But I’d rather stick with GM7′s adequate coding engine and lack of Alpha support than have that… “thing” staring at me all day.
And don’t call me a retard/baby or anything for making my own decisions. I don’t like the Logo; that’s my problem, not yours.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:23 am
APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!
Oh wait ….
November 29th, 2009 at 1:23 am
You go, Tyler! Tyler is right! I love Game Maker too, have been using it for quite awhile! I will have been using it for 2 years December 6th. I remember looking in awe at that amazing logo, and Game Maker inspired me to learn about computer internal code, and learn more about computers. I now know more than anyone at my school about computers.
Game Maker is amazing. I like the logo. And yoyo needs a new icon!
NOT THIS.
I think that Albert, (the guy who made this) should get the money! And the runners up should get the free GM pro! BUT THAT HAPPY-CRYING-SMILEY FACE DOES NOT BELONG ON A PROFESSIONAL PROGRAM!
Now these little kids are going to start posting tutorials. “Catch the evil-long-sharp-sharwk” will probably be yoyogame’s most used game. Albert, amazing job with it. I am sorry dude, but it dosen’t fit with Game Maker.
I have come to greatly enjoy Game Maker.
I have never played video games much… I get bored after I beat them or learn all the secrets (which is not hard for me). I always loved making things. Then, I found an amazing animation program, called “Pivot”. It was a great tool, and I came to love animation. I’ve done pivot for over 3 years now. But I needed something more. I needed a step up. Then… came
Game Maker
I went to the website, I saw that really cool layout, then I saw that icon. The hammer, I thought “This is it,”.
2 years later, I am now very upset that this icon got here. This is long. I know. I DONT REALLY CARE.
I care that Game Maker sirvives, and gets pleanty of good game makers. Not aton of ” Catch the evil-long-sharp-sharwk”…
Thank you.
-Joshua/ Democon Games
November 29th, 2009 at 1:25 am
@Tyler Harwood:
I agree, if I was looking for a new softwrae development tool and opened all my search results in differant tabs; The SDK with immature, and silly looking logo would be checked last or even have it’s tab closed.
I have just started a game development business recently, and I do know about the importance of a professional looking trademark. Game Maker is a great program and is capable of some pretty cool things. This logo mayes yoyogames and Game maker look too childish, simple, and n00bish.
BTW I DO NOT want this logo staring at me while I work on code. At least provide an option to disable it in the Game Maker program.
I sincerely hope that you do change this logo. I repeat that I do not think it looks bad (well, maybe a bit), but it does not pair well with yoyo games or Game Maker.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Amen. 8D
November 29th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Okay, I won’t bash the new logo. That’s been done enough.
But I will ask this.
Exactly why did you guys pick this one? What made it superior to all of the other submissions?
November 29th, 2009 at 1:28 am
sorry for the typos in my last post. There should be an edit button.
P.S. I have been using game maker for 7 years.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Does this logo not remind you of yahoo messenger? Any way, congrats to the winner and I could care less what the logo looks like.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:39 am
This has nothing to do with change. We are more than happy to adopt many of the other logos around.
Look at how big corporation logo’s have changed over time. Paramount, for instance (with the globe turning and such). It never ‘changed’, it was just ‘improved’.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:50 am
Is this a joke???
Really, please tell me you at yoyogames have more selfrespect than putting that smiley as your logo.. Seriously WHAT THE HELL? – Isn’t it a generally accepted fact that the :lmao: sprite is only used by people trying to get attention, but lacking intelligence to write posts with information? And you want to affiliate yourself with those people?
Please tell me I understood something wrong here!
November 29th, 2009 at 2:01 am
This is what the new logo makes me think of as soon as I look at it…
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/membrain/bROLL.jpg
…just sayin-
November 29th, 2009 at 2:05 am
Wow that was probably the worst of the finalist. It made no sense and had no originality.
I hope Yahoo! sues you just so it’ll get changed
November 29th, 2009 at 2:06 am
http://imgur.com/mB8jr.jpg
November 29th, 2009 at 2:09 am
Another person registering to complain. I have been using Game Maker since version 4.1, and this new logo is just embarrassing. I would never install anything with this icon onto my machine.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:10 am
This logo was already created, is the Yahoo Messenger one:
http://c2.api.ning.com/files/vcB-R4TFh6o6F3YlAnatUeLiVOFhu5Ard042DsRxsOlp*k9QRiNA3TW*UofoDzXJ2d4Qkxx3g41S6iUiy-gT5oiBkGU4SjPu/t_Yahoo_Messenger_.jpg
November 29th, 2009 at 2:29 am
@Peeter
That post was awesome
November 29th, 2009 at 2:43 am
I’m surprised I’m saying this, because I normally do not get involved in these sorts of things, but this is just ridiculous.
Here are the reasons given for needing the new logo: “We’re looking for a design that is more modern, communicates the vitality and excitement of what Game Maker stands for and fits better with the rest of the YoYo Games Branding.” However, there is one major thing lacking from this description – GM has a reputation of being one of the most distinguished tools that absolute beginners can use to make quality games. Many schools use it to start people out programming, and there are actually a fair amount of commercial developers out there for GM. So, what is wrong with having a logo that has “vitality” but is not distinguished?
First of all, I, as a more experienced (and older) GM user, will loathe using it. I feel strange enough telling people that I use a “Game Maker” program to create my games – I don’t think I could bear them looking over my shoulder while I make games if we switch to this logo.
Secondly, the new logo does not look any more modern than the old GM logo; it’s just more complicated (and, if I may say, LESS professional-looking). For one thing, the lighting is completely messed up. There’s a radial gradient in the mouth, a radial gradient on the gear, an inverted radial gradient on the outline of the gear (which attempts to make the image look more 3d and fails miserably), a vertical gradient on the face, eyes, and tongue, and a horizontal gradient on the teeth. Why is this so painful to the eyes? Because it is blatant use of gradients to attempt to cheaply make a 2d image look more realistic without taking the time to do any of the lighting in the image properly. I’d expect, much, much better from a professional enterprise.
In the end, what have we gotten out of the new logo? We have a fun-looking image that might serve as a good logo, but is done poorly. I, personally, will do whatever I can to stick with the old logo until we get a new one that is worth changing to.
I realize you guys don’t have much time on your hands, and as such I’d recommend either doing a new coloration or new rendition of the old logo, or not changing the logo at all. If you want your new logo to have vitality, look modern, and be professional, I’d recommend turning the old GM logo into more of a lineart sort of thing (eg. the GMC logo: http://gmc.yoyogames.com/style_images/chronicpro/gmc_logo2.jpg). In fact, now that I think of it, what would be wrong with using the GMC logo? Couldn’t you just do that? Most community forums for brands of software don’t have a different logo than the actual software itself, so why does GM have to be an exception?
Anyway, thanks for all your hard work on keeping the GM programs coming, you guys have done a great job so far.
-monocledsardine
November 29th, 2009 at 2:45 am
I hate the new logo. You should have choosed a way better logo that makes Game Maker look more professional. My suggestion is this logo: http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg
November 29th, 2009 at 2:46 am
And no, that is not my own logo.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Wow! It is so stupid that I was about the 500th person who didn’t like the new logo. Doesn’t that give you a clue?!?!
November 29th, 2009 at 3:31 am
Sandy, your embarassing you best programmers away. The only people on Yoyogames will be n00bs and no good games will be made and good programmers will have no idea of how good of a program GM is. GM will sink back with the misery of Scartch and other n00b programming programs.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:34 am
I agree it’s a pretty bad logo.
(understatment)
But it doesnt change that GameMaker is a great program.
@Whaddsoft:
Why quit gamemaker because of a logo?
November 29th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Also
@BenEdV:
Game Makers best programers arent going to leave because of a Logo.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:49 am
—–
@SANDY
ok I dont have anything against you or yoyogames. I love site and game maker its my favorite program. And to be honest yes im going to probaly buy gm8 wether or not you keep this logo. But I dont think this is something thats going to just blow over a lot of people are upset and it isnt just the people who lost. The logo looks good I like it, it just dosnt fit game maker.
I also want to point this out. There is another program out on the web called “Game Editor”
whos logo also includes a smiley face which will probaly confuse a lot of new comers to game creation programs.(http://game-editor.com/wiki/skins/blender/it.png)
I truly think what will make everyone happier is to include the hammer again like this one
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6640/gm8logorev.png
the hammer keeps the originality of the program that its had over the many years of developement.
I understand your problem though, you guys already picked one payed for it and picked the finalists so I see why you might not want to change it.
In the end the logo dosnt really do much to the program at all it just kinda effects whether people want to download it sometimes. Me and I know many other people dont download some stuff if it really just looks like it should be used by 5 or 4 year olds. So if theres any possible way try to pick one that makes more sense or people are just going to fill up the site with these game trying to kill the icon and it going to keep on going. people already have many things in there sigs about hating the icon. And I know the creator dosnt like all this critisism but hey hes getting 250$ of course hes not going look at it from our point of view. I dont care if you do change it or not I know your probaly not going to but im just warning you turning your head the other way dosnt solve any problems ever, talk with these people explain to them what the logo is suppose to stand for try to make them like it the way you like it. and if thats impossible then I would say you made a bad choice when you chose this icon. dont just argue with them and make rude comments just explain it to them so they can see the icon the way you do or I would suggest finding another one though I dont know how you would do that if you already paid the guy who made this one. Next time let the community vote and take there opinion into the matter and people wont get this upset.
Gl with that
Squiggy,
—-
November 29th, 2009 at 3:52 am
@Lazered One: Yeah, that’s true! the logo wont effect the true programmers
(I don’t actually think it will effect anyone that uses GM and likes it)
November 29th, 2009 at 3:57 am
o well its just a logo back to life I guess
November 29th, 2009 at 3:58 am
I am tiered of caring about the logo. I made a big idiot out of myself. I am more concerned with my rights to the things I make. As long as Yoyo Games gives me the right to distribute off of Yoyo Games and lets me have freedom in this regard I am happy. If they try to control how I distribute my work then I will switch to another program.
By the way I apologize for my negative comments towards you Sandy. Especially the mid life crisis comment. I don’t dislike you.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:20 am
I don’t feel that completely getting rid of the iconic hammer is an intelligent marketing decision.
Imagine if a Nike executive came along and said that Nike was getting a new logo, but he didn’t like the tick so he decided to replace it with a smiley face inside a shoe.
One of the most recognisable symbol in the world gets replaced with something people can no longer relate to.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:32 am
I agree with “lostoverthere”, please pic a new logo. I would vote for the logo at “http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg”. It looks clean and modern,; yet simple, It also looks like quite a bit of work went into it.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:44 am
yeah “lostoverthere” is right thats the exact point I had
November 29th, 2009 at 4:49 am
Lighten up people.
It`s just a logo that you don`t even have to show in your games…
it really shouldn`t matter to ya at all…
*shrugs*
November 29th, 2009 at 4:58 am
OK….i DID have this whole thing typed up, but wordpress said that I’ve already said it, even though I haven’t, which is a bit sus.
So, I’m just not going to care, I gave up on YYG a long time ago. If they think this logo is good enough, let them ruin GM8. I don’t care anymore.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Its more about preserving the dignity and reputation of Game Maker and people who use the program.
Game Maker might be good, but if the logo looks childish, people will think that the programmers are unprofessional.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Wow this is the most comments any blog post has ever gotten. Everybody must REALLY hate the new logo. Somebody really should do something about the stupid new logo. It makes people not want to use Game Maker because they will think that it is only for noobs who think a smiley for a logo is cool.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Now that I fully look at the old logo I realized something… look at the full logo it shows EVERYTHING about game maker… Pacman for arcade, 2D fun, classic. Dots for points, powerups, point of game.
Ball for graphics are only limited by what you can draw. Hammer – it looks 3D showing simple 3D can be made, and also it shows your not editing something but your MAKING something..
its invites by saying “Easy game Development”
This new one… heres my message “make HAPPY!” the gear – ok i think its fine but i get “tools” and “pre made” message from it…
November 29th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Now that I look over the finalists, I would say that any of them would do the job far better than the logo chosen.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:08 am
seriously. This is ridiculous.
That is the most absolutely, stupid looking logo I have ever seen.
Is this a joke? I really hope so.
it makes game maker a lot childish than teletubies really.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:17 am
C++ IS WAYYYYYYYY BETTER!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:18 am
New Coke, anyone?
November 29th, 2009 at 6:21 am
C++ is not better
November 29th, 2009 at 6:49 am
I would really appreciate it if someone with authority (AKA Sandy) calmly explained their reasons for choosing this particular logo
November 29th, 2009 at 6:50 am
I don’t mean to say that the work on this is bad quality, I always like to give artist a push to share their ideas through their creativity,This logo is of good quality, but I feel that it dose not fit for what Game Maker stands for, the Hammer was always there since the first version came out, and it gave Game Maker the edge it needed that made it what it is today,Taking the hammer away is like taking Tony The Tiger from Frosted Corn Flakes,and without that the it’s just another off brand that no one dosen’t like, so if it’s change you need, then please don’t take away the hammer, I too entered the contest and this was my entry http://yfrog.com/5plogogamemakerp
It’s my image for Game Maker,and an idea that kept the hammer.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:00 am
I would really appreciate it if people….
A: Stopped Spamming
B: Stoped Trash Talking, and were more polite
C: Stoped posting Unrelated comments, (Please stay on topic people)
D: Stopped trying to advertise their logos and stopped bragging about themselves
E: Stopped yelling at, insulting, and threatening Sandy. This dispute should be solved without offensive language, and without trashing the YoYo Games staff and contest winner. Just because the logo is a terrible fit for game maker that does not make it terrible in itself
F: Stopped calling YoYo Games a “money grubbing corporation”; they are not.
G: Stopped posting links to their games
H: Stopped insulting others for not having the same view on the matter as they do
Sincerely
Julien Lino-Wiseman, Owner of Snow Leopard Game Design
November 29th, 2009 at 7:10 am
“Julien Lino-Wiseman, Owner of Snow Leopard Game Design”
Hypocrytical much? I don’t think anyone cares about your game design site. I know I’m not setting a good example but you could stop “bragging about yourself” and how much more elevated and smarter than everyone else you are. No one asked you to rent-a-mod. Don’t read the comments if you feel that way.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:50 am
i really dislike this logo, and i know thousands of others do to, i only found 2 people that commented here that liked the logo, Sandy and the dude that left the first comment
please sign the petition
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/#signpetition
lets try to get it to 1000
November 29th, 2009 at 7:57 am
http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg
^^ THAT IS WHAT A GOOD LOGO WOULD LOOK LIKE
November 29th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Ugh, that new logo is hideous. What were they thinking?
November 29th, 2009 at 8:15 am
@bluechujelly
“Hypocrytical much? I don’t think anyone cares about your game design site. I know I’m not setting a good example but you could stop “bragging about yourself” and how much more elevated and smarter than everyone else you are. No one asked you to rent-a-mod. Don’t read the comments if you feel that way.” [bluechujelly]
I am not trying to act as a moderator, nor trying to “bragg” about myself.
What I am trying to do, is voice my opinoin on the logo and at the same time try to calm people down a bit because the topic is getting out of hand in terms of respect, professionalism, and language.
I admit putting my title may have been overkill, but I am not advertising (or bragging about) my company in any way; I am only trying to add a small amount of athority to my comment so that it is regarded in a serious manner; and that it not be regarded as a post made by a new-b who cannot tolerate offensive language.
“but you could stop “bragging about yourself” and how much more elevated and smarter than everyone else you are”
I made no such claims, and do not plan to. Please do not misunderstand my writing and vocabulary as trying to show off. I am simply voicing my opinions about the direction in which this topic is going.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:20 am
“….just read the first few posts…some love it, some hate it…that was inevitable.”
Down to post #75 8 people like it and 33 hate it. And I was liberal on the “like it” part. Looks to me like “few don’t mind it, most hate it.” Oh and add +1 to that 33 I mentioned above.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
@snowleapoard
if your not trying to be act as some kind of moderator, then what was with all the rules?
i’m sure it’s possible to voice you opinion without the list of crap.. it’s just going to get people more angry, not calm them down
November 29th, 2009 at 8:27 am
woo 598 supporters
oh, and to everybody who just doesn’t want to sign up, just click register after you enter in your information, it’ll automatically sign you up
November 29th, 2009 at 8:27 am
@peteyboy22
It was actually meant as a pun to mortar’s post
“I would really appreciate it if someone with authority (AKA Sandy) calmly explained their reasons for choosing this particular logo”
I was only saying that people should stop insulting each other, I know I can’t make them stop, but I am trying to encourage future posts to be more respectful to sandy and Albert Zak
Sorry for any misunderstandings
November 29th, 2009 at 8:38 am
the people that chose the logo should at least release an appology to the game maker community or something, and release an alternate version of gamemaker8 without the logo that everyone dislikes
November 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
“the people that chose the logo should at least release an appology to the game maker community or something, and release an alternate version of gamemaker8 without the logo that everyone dislikes” [peteyboy22]
Or just one program with an alternate icon and an option to not display the logo
P.S. I DID sign your petition
November 29th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Hi I’m Darkfire, Also Known as Kamen, I’ve been using Gamemaker for years and years (back in 4) And I’m also a Graphic Designer of sorts, and I just want to say I love your software. And I just want to say that I’m somewhat shocked by your choice, yet I also understand, Re-branding is hard, it’s very hard to make a choice of a logo with everyone having different opinions.
However, I must say that I know you have paid the man but I hope you listen to what people are saying, this is not just a few people stuck in their ways, that feel this is a bad choice. Personally I think you would have got way better results on a website like 99designs.com. I have to admit that this does not reflect happiness or joy of any kind, this reflects frauds, gimmicks, old fads and many other things I don’t think you want to be associated with.
Also I think some people have brought up that this is the developers end of things, having the front end of the website being happy and “so easy” but people need to realize that good game making takes work, Gamemaker is an awesome framework but does that mean a baby could do it? I think that you need to consider your market a little more closely, when it comes to 10-17 year old boys this isn’t exactly what their looking for.
Also with the imagery, it really bothers me that there is no hint of any video-game symbols whatsoever. The hammer was vague to be sure but all the same it was more related to the theme then this one is.
More money has been wasted on a logo before then 250$, Most designers wouldn’t even consider working for that low.
Is this really worth the loyalty of your customers?
November 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
wtf this is the most stupid logo ever everyone will change their icon stupid idiot
November 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
@ Darkfire
Agreed, well said.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
actually its not stupid. 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November 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
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November 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
i think it brings out how this community is like when making a game after all the smilly gear just means we are a working beta brings out game maker to its personality. its an awsome thing to think of its a work of great work everyone who says its not is either really blind or stupid.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
hey guys, this is what the logo should look like:
http://6.media.tumblr.com/2w9XXXqFFr30xxuk3tVBOuxMo1_400.jpg
November 29th, 2009 at 11:15 am
OMG, that made me laugh.
REMOVE BLUECHUJELLY’S POST. WHY WAS MY POST MODERATED BEFORE PUBLISHING, AND HIS NOT!
November 29th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Yay! 600th post!
November 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Personally, I think that the logo is great, IF THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR. Which I don’t think it is.
This one logo says, as I’m sure have been said earlier, pre-assembled and easy at the cost of everything else. If this is what you want to show, please add a “Spawn (x) Enemies with (x) health and (x) speed” and a “Shoot (x) bullets per second towards cursor, dealing (x) damage if hitting” action.
But as I have understood, you are trying to make the GM8 a more professional looking tool. You can’t move your programs in two different directions at once, because this logo with a smiley where 2/3 of the face is covered by a monstrous mouth, don’t signal “professional tool.”
I think that the old logo was good at this point. It said “Professional, without being too advanced, creative AND constructive.” The new one may attract a whole new crowd of people, children who believe that you can make a game in ten minutes at first try and adults who believe that Game Maker is actually a kind of game. You do not want to give them that first-impression. It should say that you can make small but fun games, and when you get good at it you can use a lot of time to create a great game, eventually getting paid for it. A smiley does NOT signal this.
Face it, on the internet there are lots of game maker programs, and most of them are free too. The difference is that most of these are actually just advanced Level Editors, or what they’re called. They are pre-assembled and incapable of creating new and unique gaming experiences. But Game Maker is not, it makes you able to shape the game exactly as you might want to, be it a senseless Shoot ‘Em Up or an existential and abstract platform game. And I think that this is what the logo should show.
Now, excuse me for this long post, and a probable wrong grammar. Also long posts are at most points better than short posts, who don’t nuance the fragile case we are in. Post Script, It’d be great if someone at the very top of YOYOgames took a look at this case, and posted at least something.
November 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
This logo is awful… Burn it! It has nothing to do with Game Maker!
November 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
cmon sandy anawser
November 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I too am a bit dissapointed in the choice of logo. It is well done, it looks nice, but it’s just no Game maker. There are some other nice submissions that alot of other people made, please reconsider your logo!
November 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
While I must admit that I wasn’t expecting this logo to win, I also wasn’t expecting half the community to break down and attack either Sandy, the logo creator, yoyogames, or all of them.
I understand and even agree what many people say about what the logo should be and why. I must admit despite the creative design and work that the winner went though, it just doesn’t really fit with Game Maker.
I must admit I submitted my logos and was somewhat hoping that I would have won. But upon seeing the finalists, I was glad I didn’t. After seeing many great logos that, according to my taste, were just as great as the top five, I’m very glad I didn’t.
I look forward to whatever logo Game Maker uses. It’s not my company. I may be the customer, and the customer may be right, according to many sayings, but I wouldn’t be a customer without a product or service, in this case Game Maker.
Granted it will probably make yoyogames look bad. And if it does yoyogames will learn from this mistake and hopefully make a better choice next time. I do admit I agreed that Sandy should have created a poll for his customers, sometimes people make mistakes.
I feel bad for the creator of the winning logo. Despite what people may say, his logo, regardless of how much it looks like it rips off of Yahoo, is very cool. Even I was impressed with the quality. I do admit that the gear seemed odd on a smiley, but I didn’t really care. I’ll stare at it once when I download Game Maker 8.0. Then I’ll stare at it again as I change the desktop icon. There, I’m happy.
I hope that yoyogames will improve on their choices, regardless of this apparent mistake or any other events that have happened. But I’m glad I have a easy program that allows me to produce computer games easily and more fun.
November 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Just thought i should register just to join the legions of disapproval towards this hideous logo.
November 29th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I prefer my variation.
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3586/myvariation.png
November 29th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
It looks pretty cool in comparison
November 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
http://www.bored.com/destroysites/
DESTROY THE SMILIE!
November 29th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
lol
November 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Honestly i think Kafeithekeaton’s Swastika variation was the best.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
I think it has a large mouth so it can survive off eating the tomatoes thrown at it.
November 29th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I would also prefer a logo like splean suggested over your current choice. Smileys just do not fit Game Maker; you should choose a logo which has a correlation with GM.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
This is an embarrassing and childish icon. No-one will take GM seriously now.
Listen to the members Sandy, you know it makes sense.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
No.
The logo is decent. I’ll give it that.
But the logo makes me view GM as the program you’ll never want. The logo makes me feel like it’s the stupid generic icon of the 80′s of what we thought would be the future – clones. Different yet the same.
The logo is far less serious than it should be. If there was an alternate version of GM aimed towards kids I might agree with this logo but otherwise.. no.
I know that we aren’t all aspiring game designers, and we want to put our all into something we love but still, there has to be some level of decency for this particular program.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Most of the time I’m all for game maker. I have used it for years and always been happy with it, I never cut down any of my fellow artist, instead I try to inspire them, yet game maker is all about easy programming and making the creators happy, and the logo really haves no effect on it’s purpose, The new logo dose explain it’s purpose in it’s own way, But in a software like Game Maker, it dose need a strong Image to keep it going strong, Like most products you see in the market, But changing the logo from the hammer to smiley will draw less attention then it will gaining it,and I hate to see game maker ruin it’s self with it’s new found strength, no matter what the out come is, I will continue to use this amazing software.
my new variation,http://yfrog.com/5zlogo2lep
November 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
ok i have used game maker for aboyt two years
and i have always been happy with the logo (though it was preety boring)but now they change it to a wierd smily face!! you could probley tell by the old logo that his appplication made somthing!! now if I was fasced with this logo i might think it was some wierd image edititor or somthing.this is a ennberisement to gmae maker lisen sandey most of us dn’t like it!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
get rid of the smile!!!!!
November 29th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
The new logo does not represent Game Maker’s capabilities as a game development tool.
That logo will scare away experienced developers who could quickly write Game Maker off as a childish quick development tool, when it’s been proving itself among indie developers in the last two years to be a beautiful rapid prototyping tool as well as something that can produce great works of art.
You should seriously consider changing the logo to something more neutral, and stop coming up with the terrible excuse that the ball and hammer are ‘outdated’. A lot of people before me have said that the ball and hammer are basicly Game Maker’s IDENTITY. You could easily get away with modernizing the old one without getting rid of the hammer.
November 29th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
here,just do this take the ball and the hammer and
just clen it up!!
November 29th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Here is an interview with the creator of this logo
http://gamejolt.com/articles/interview-with-game-maker-8-logo-creator/3016/
He seems, well, pretty selfish,
He says that all we are mad about is that we didn’t win, but most of us didn’t even enter
November 29th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Wow, this thread is a great testament to the horrors of rebranding.
Personally, its the smileyface’s deranged eyes, lolling to the back of its head that disturbs me the most.
Logos have to be bold yes, but not utterly jarring. Please rethink!
November 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
@Comico..Geez, He seems to have a bit of an attitude.
November 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Seriously?
The entire logo reminds me of a “petabear” (is that how you spell it?).
Is the target audience 5-year-olds?
I don’t like it, I’m sticking with ye olde GM 6.1 (the only one my computer likes).
November 29th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofA_z3bt28k
November 29th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Anyone recall Tropicana’s logo change? yeah the Orange juice? well I’m feeling the same… the font and the generic face. (Well I don’t know about generic for this face…)
It’s not really… whats the word… recognizable? just think for a minute.
when I say ____ what to you think?
“Golden arches”
“check mark”
“little red head ponytail girl”
“an apple”
“flag with red green blue and yellow squares”
“smiley face”
“Ball and Hammer”
Personaly my answers are
“McDonald’s”
“Nike”
“Wendy’s”
“Apple Co.”
“Windows/Microsoft”
“Idk but the 80s or tee-shirt, or the video to “AM radio” song.”
“Gamer maker”
The hammer is much more recognizable (And noticeable when I draw it in my notebook, when and I write down an Idea I just had to fix a problem/expand/build a new game, compared to a smile that could easily be mistaken from something someone else drew.)
If you are to use this logo, I would suggest it be for a Jr. version.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Well it looks like they are waiting for us to cool down, because there’s no changing the logo, personally i will not stop using gm, but that logo is really a failure to its hard earned reputation. If the voice of more than 600 comments won’t change their minds maybe they don’t give a damn about it.Makes you wonder what prof. Overmars has to say about all this.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I like it!
November 29th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
@Peeter; Long time since I laughed so much at a video
.
But, seriously; I don’t like this at all. It’s hard enough as it is to be taken seriously with a program named “GameMaker”, with this logo it will be impossible. People will think it’s a program for children and wont understand that I make my games by writing thousands of lines of complex code.
I agree with what’s already been said several times; put, for example, the hammer in the gear and it would look so much better.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
It would be nice if the YYG crew would answer to all of our questions. It shows quite much stubborness to only say that “we won’t change it” and then idle for next 1000 comments. Yes, most of the comments are childlish and immature but you should understand that we’re not complaining only because our logos were not chosen, MOST of us didn’t even enter the contest!!(including me), but because we care about YYG and GM’s future and image! Change might be hard but I am almost completely sure that your sales, popularity and professional-look WILL wither if you keep this logo.
If you, dear YYG staff, would care about this great community and it’s future, you should really listen to it and let them vote for something as big as new logo. You already took lots and lots of suggestions when you opened up the GM8 bug reporting system and you RELIED on users. Why wouldn’t you do it again and let the majority decide what’s best?
Zak, your logo is great and all but won’t fit Game Maker. I will still be using GM in the future when GM8 comes out but I have to change the icon. I have read every post in this thread and I must say that you are too stubborn if you don’t even dare to read every single one of them.
Hope I enlighted you to THINK about changing the logo. Game Maker’s Ball n Hammer is seen EVERYWHERE on any GM site.
Please…
November 29th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Almost every negative comment here is NOT posted because their entry didnt win, it’s stupid to claim something like that.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
I can’t say I especially like that logo… in fact I don’t like it much at all.. but that’s not what this comment is about.
If you’ve somehow found this comment among the hundreds of others, Sandy, would it be possible for you to announce the runners-up? Unless I’ve missed something, none of us know which two other logos where runners-up. Personally, I’d really like to see them.
Would this be possible, Sandy?
November 29th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Peeter that was the best vid ever
November 29th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Were angry just cuz we ain’t the winner? I didn’t even enter the competition.
A smile ain’t exactly what comes to mind when I think about programming with Game Maker, it’s more of either a yawn, or a look of frustration.
I guess Sandy just wants to wait until the anger dies down before he says anything. If there was a GMjr. then this would fit perfectly. But there ain’t so, this just looks like it’s for 8 year olds and younger.
Eh, I guess GM7 is fine enough for my needs any way.(I may by GM8, but I don’t think I need it)
November 29th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
A few things:
1. Texts are without capital letters.
2. Texts have no anti-alising
3. Smiley image has still some white pixels around it
4. Text uses the cheapest font ever
5. No shadows…
6. Smiley and cog have no anti-alising
7. Lightning on cog and smiley do not match
8. It just does not fit the purpose
To the guy who won:
It was 3min work, wasn’t it?
Congrats with ur prize by the way.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
This would be a nice logo for a game about smily faces or something, but it has nothing to do with Game Maker!
Sandy, please answer, everyone feels that you are ignoring them.
As I said before this logo would greatly give the impression of game maker being a program that you can use to make a pre-fab game in only a few min! True game maker DOES have drag and drop, but only for begginer coders to learn the basics of syntax and coding! Game Maker has a lot of potential. In my opinion the D&D is crap and I always write my software in code; even for simple functions such as setting variables. Now people will think that game maker does not have the capability to use complex code and mathematics, only D&D.
The first thing I thought of when I saw the logo was “If Yoyo Games is making the GM logo child friendly and easy, will GM’s advanced coding functions follow?”.
Game maker has a broad age range, from D&D for 10 year olds, to coding windows and scripts for advanced programmers. Please don’t start using childish looking logos for Game Maker.
Game Maker should have more functionality, speed, features, and potential added to it. Please do not sacrifice that for over-simplification, or next thing you know, GM will not even be using code any more.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
WE THE PROUD PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN having pirated the last GM were are dissapointed with YouYou movies to change the logo. Muslims all over the world declare fatwa on the head of this sandy girl and yoyo games. you have 24 hrs to take this threat seriously else will bomb ur bases.
November 29th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8638/gaymaker.png
November 29th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
@Comico
I prefer yours ^^
November 29th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
http://i48.tinypic.com/16ar18h.jpg
November 29th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
@Pakialla lol:
I hope you understand the severity of what you have done by threatening Sandy, even if it is in jest. I suggest you think carefully about your next move.
@Everyone Else
Get over yourselves. I happen to think that the new logo is pretty decent. The gear is representative of the game play, while the smiley shows the fun that can be had.
Furthermore, as Sandy has stated, the user base of this website exceeds 1 million a month. You have, through your petition, (at time of writing) shown that 0.06% of the user base dislike the new logo.
Let’s also keep in mind what YoYo’s targeted demographics could be. I’m fairly certain that they are not aiming to make GameMaker a ‘professional’ product. It would be unrealistic of them to think they could get into the same market as standard development tools, and I’m almost 100% certain that they realize this. So what is their key demographic probably? I imagine it’s whoever visits this website fairly often. While I would certainly think they are trying to further their advertising influence, my guess is they are quite content to keep this website the major center of all GameMaker activity.
Now, who do you suppose visits this site most frequently. My guess would be that the largest population is males between the ages of 10 and 16. But of course, that’s just a guess. Who is capable of knowing the actual answer? Why… Sandy of course.
So keep in mind that you are a tiny portion of this sites user base, and, you are up against someone who knows much more about the companies direction and users. So why don’t you guys just calm down and realize that this logo is not going to spell the end of GameMaker. And if you are going to stop using this great program just because you don’t like the logo, then I think you should really reconsider how you value a product.
Oh, and I signed up just to say this…
November 29th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
@DarkDepths
“Get over yourselves. I happen to think that the new logo is pretty decent. The gear is representative of the game play, while the smiley shows the fun that can be had.”
Sure, using common sense, it does. However, as a whole it does not represent Game Maker! Learn how the mind of the average person works, please. The average person judges books by their cover, and the average person associates a smiley face with a smiling mouth so huge it is almost creepy, with children. And Game Maker is not solely for children.
“Furthermore, as Sandy has stated, the user base of this website exceeds 1 million a month. You have, through your petition, (at time of writing) shown that 0.06% of the user base dislike the new logo.”
This argument has two flaws:
- It is a fact that 0.06% dislike the logo. It is also most likely that like 99.9% don’t have an opinion because they don’t even know about this.
- Because supposedly 0.06% dislike it we should ignore it? How about we make a logo that 0% of all people dislike?
“So keep in mind that you are a tiny portion of this sites user base, and, you are up against someone who knows much more about the companies direction and users.”
Well, amongst us are people who are experienced in the design area and say that the logo is really bad. Sandy thought this logo was a good choice because he liked it, but then again, he doesn’t know anything about logo design so he shouldn’t be the one who should’ve chosen the logo.
“And if you are going to stop using this great program just because you don’t like the logo, then I think you should really reconsider how you value a product.”
Are you really that stupid to realize that people say that for trolling purposes? In other words, ONLY to express their opinion? Learn 2 internetz.
Oh, and I signed up just to say this as well.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
I think my 30 minute logo is better…
https://zquqiw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p3E6CPJmv1NoEaU_tJvab-ECIuHG-ivx21M-FnW4qJnQuCZ5IcavasRsnacRCQZ5t-pPE5fXjgrNXaYw5kzVwzzffUbVCsg9R/logos.png
November 29th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
we shoud vote on it.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Also this logo may not spell the end of Game Maker. But it writes the first letter. Even still they have very important concerns. We are the consumer and we are always right. Apparently YoYoGames goal to be there for the community is all just a conglamorate bag of lies.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
And were not mad that we didn’t win the competition were mad that any chimps ass can shit on a piece of paper and win.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
@Creatorr:
Let me ask you, what would represent GameMaker? I’m pretty sure you are going to say something about a hammer. Why? Because everyone has come to equate the hammer with GameMaker. Give it a year, people will equate this logo with GameMaker, and suddenly the gear with smiley represents GameMaker as a whole.
Second, this is where I suggest you learn something about the average person
Do you really think anyone is going to create a logo that 0% of people hate? I think it’s safe to say that this is impossible. Quite frankly, I’m surprised that so few people hate this logo. I would think that even 0.1%, even 0.5% would be a pretty good number.
Sure, there are a lot of people who don’t know / don’t care, but I would argue that these are then people who aren’t to interested in the logo. If they don’t know by now, then they are obviously not too invested in it.
Third, how many of you are professional graphics designers? Better yet, how many of you have made over $1000 dollars on your graphics? Yea, you might have made a lot of logos for free for people on the GMC, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you have any credibility as a designer.
Also, how do you know Sandy knows nothing about logo design? Maybe he was really interested in logo design for a few years and took a few university courses on the subject. And, he was vice-president of XBOX Europe, so I would suggest he might have some idea what he is doing, and where he is taking the company.
Finally “Are you really that stupid to realize that people say that for trolling purposes? In other words, ONLY to express their opinion? Learn 2 internetz.”
No, as a matter of fact, I haven’t even read any comments that stated they would stop, except for I think, the second one. The point was not about who trollers claiming to do give it up, the point was about people who really might give it up.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
@DarkDepths
I personally don’t think if the average age was 10-16 they would have complex code. Most kids I know of couldn’t even understand Game maker at all if it wasn’t for D&D options.
sure GM isnt really a profession program. But this thing is being used in schools. (My school is currently going to teach it in the programing class in about 2 months.)
Also keep in mind though, I bet there are a lot of people who made a W/e account just to say their say.
now before we state who likes and doesn’t that should be left for a TRUE vote a REAL vote of users. And show the runner ups. I would have liked to see the runner ups. and pick the one I feel represents GM as a whole. As a Tool, as to What it can do, What it does.
Let the people vote.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Wow, I tried to use a smiley to be ironic, but the formatting kinda screwed it up. Disregard that smiley
November 29th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
I thought I should express my opinion: Game Maker is a program used to acutally make real games. I am proud to tell people that i’m a video game programmer however people have a hard time believeing that GML is acutally a really language used to make games because of what it stands for. Now they really won’t beleive me when I try to prove it when double clicking on that cute little smiley… The new logo is honestly childish and not very professional at all. I really do like the logo but I think the logo is better off else where. I’m 15 years old, and I like the hammer. If i’m 15 and I like the hammer then it must be more moderate then you think it is sandy… The hammer friggen rocks and I wouldn’t replace it by a cute smiley with a gear around it. I honestly think this logo would be prefect -> http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg. I also think that every one is makeing to big of a deal out of this. PEOPLE THE WORLD IS NOT GOING TO END IF THE GM LOGO IS A SMILEY!!!!! I wanted to get that off my chest. Keep in mind all the good things that came out of yoyogames.com people! Some of you guys are willing to give up GM if this becomes the next logo which is totally and utterly stupid. It’s just a logo and it’s not what GM truely is.
Any ways Sandy… I don’t think the smiley suits Game Maker and I personally think if this many people are upset about it then you should change it. However I will not give up GM just because I don’t agree with the new logo and neither should anyone else…
November 30th, 2009 at 12:00 am
This makes me the about the 3490th person to register just to say what an AWFUL logo this is.
Some reasons the hammer would have been nice:
1) Brand recognition
2) True to roots of program and community.
But I’d be fine with a non-hammer logo if it was a GOOD logo. I mean, this logo has gotten 643 comments, most saying how bad it is. These posts usually get like what, 20 comments? SIX HUNDRED FORTY THREE comments.
Reasons this logo is downright bad:
1) Unprofessional
2) Not aesthetically pleasing (i.e. ugly)
3) Childish
4) Nothing to do with Game Maker
5) A SMILEY FACE? What is this, Wal-Mart? At least their smiley face doesn’t look like a zombie crackhead, eyes rolling back, mouth impossibly wide open… but let’s face it, whoever went to Wal-Mart and said “You know what? These guys have a great logo.”
6) Almost Nobody Likes it? Why keep it JUST because YOU like it?
Let the designer keep his $250 (you pretty much have to by this point) but just change the logo to something that makes Game Maker look like the great tool it is and not a child’s toy. This isn’t even something I’d expect to see on a charming classy toy. It’s something I would expect to see on a really creepy obnoxious one.
And for those of you saying “At least it’s well drawn” I’d reply “No, it’s not.” Just imagine trying to get this logo approved anywhere else.
“It is a fact that 0.06% dislike the logo.”
- While only 0.0000001% a.k.a. “Sandy” like it.
- The other 99.9399999% haven’t noticed or haven’t responded. This is the 2nd Glog comment I’ve ever read. There’s no reason to think their opinion would differ drastically from those who have expressed theirs.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:02 am
@Sypran:
I said the average was probably 10-16. By 14 I was writing c++, so I don’t see how you argument really works. Plus, the code isn’t really complex. You can accomplish a lot in GameMaker with very basic code. However, there are some advanced structures, etc. And I think these are great for the purpose of letting GameMaker be easily expandable. If Sandy or anyone reads this, it would actually be nice to know what the trends are for the website.
Also, it’s great that it is in schools. My cousin took a class on it too. But I fail to see how that has any impact on anything. I see it as a great learning tool, which I believe it was originally developed as. So why should the logo affect that?
And my comment that said I just made my account to say this… that was just to mock all the people who had done so previously, I guess it didn’t work so well!
Finally, I agree, a vote might be good. But keep in mind that, as I stated previously, less than 1% of users have weighed in on this, and I don’t think it is necessarily a good thing to let that tiny of a population make decisions regarding the companies future. To that end, is it really any of our business? It is usually up to management to decide where they take their company, and not the consumers, even if that disgruntles some of them.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Yeah do you think Picaso or Leonardo Da Vinchi started out as millionaires? I don’t think so pal most millionaires are self made. It takes allot of skill and that can’t be judged by money. Look at Bono or Miley Cyrus or Jimy Buffet they make millions of their terrible voices.
You are the next James Blunt only way more ignorant. How long have you even been with this community? When long time community icons like Fred Fredrickson and Speedmaster and even administrators like Tepi protest against your work than you are just downright ignorant.
You need a reality check pal!
November 30th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Choice quotes from the interview at http://gamejolt.com/articles/interview-with-game-maker-8-logo-creator/3016/
“I’m however still kind of puzzled why only 8% picked this as their favorite, but I’m glad Sandy and a few others realized what’s really behind this logo.”
“I loved the originality and great lengths of effort some of the commenters took to express their frustration with not being the winner”
“I can clearly understand why YYG didn’t choose them as the final logo.”
To get things straight:
1. There was no vote.
2. The majority of people expressing their opinion didn’t even make a logo.
3. Get the fuck over youself.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:14 am
DarkDepths, what do you think of the logo?
Also, thanks for replying to my comment, but I still disagree XD
It’s obvious Sandy doesn’t know much about logo design, since 1. he decided to let people make a new logo and 2. chose a bad one.
But seriously, take a look around on the internet, and you will understand that THAT logo is neither a good logo for GM, nor a good logo in general.
And ok, the thing about trolling was maybe a bit wrong. Didn’t intend to call you stupid either. It’s just that this whole logo case is freaking me out.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:15 am
Oh, and if this is an attempt to get people to register so this monstrosity won’t be plastered over their games, the kudos to the evil genius behind that one, except that NOBODY CAN REGISTER if NOBODY DOWNLOADS A TRIAL for something that looks like that. Stubbornness in your choice will get you nowhere. Why is YYG so committed to this design? It’s not too late to change it!
November 30th, 2009 at 12:18 am
@ Robert B:
Are you talking to me? I very clearly stated that making logos on a website does not ‘necessarily’ give you any credibility as a designer. You need to learn to read.
It’s true that Fred is pretty good, but again, he does not know the direction the company wants to take. Maybe this logo is exactly what the company needs in order to take it in the direction it wants to go. Maybee not!
@Bluechujelly:
The vote he is referring to was on some website. I forget where exactly, but there was a vote for which of the finalists people would have preferred.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:19 am
@DarkDepths
I know its not very complex and congrats on the c++ at 14, but not everyone is like that. Myself I don’t think I’m smart with computers, but I know how to work with them then the average 17 year old.
the whole thing with schools is this – most schools I know of want a program that is more on the professional looking side. It is a great tool. The logo has nothing to do with that. But the sad thing is People judge on First impressions. Lets make a video game reference – the Gamecube in some peoples eyes is a TOY, but it has many M rated games like KILLER7
same with the Wii, but we have gore fests like No more Hero’s and Madworld.
Well thank you for agreeing on the Voting thing. Also it confused me at first why I couldn’t post on this with my yoyogames account I almost didn’t bother. Well remember Tropicana and their logo change. I still want to see the Runner ups though
Anyone know where I can find em?
November 30th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Protesting and standing up for ourselves is a part of life if we all have to quit using Game Maker to get this sorted out they maybe someone should start a petition site. Also that other percentage of people don’t care, don’t know how to, don’t notice, are toembarassed to express themselves, and if this hypothetical poll was on the front page then you see how badly you suck. YoYoGames has become another arrogant publisher who is really after the $$$ and power. What does power do? “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.” John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton (1834-1902).
November 30th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Sorry but this has to be the worst logo you could ever choose. I know the guy worked hard and he feels bad and boohoohoo but the logo is bad and shouldn’t replace what we already have.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:25 am
@DarkDepths
also I’d like to add, I didn’t realize that was the logo on the first day, I quickly logged in and searched a game to play. I thought it was some advertisement.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:25 am
@ Creatorr:
“I happen to think that the new logo is pretty decent. The gear is representative of the game play, while the smiley shows the fun that can be had.”
Some people have brought up a lack of anti-aliasing on the text, and the white around the smiley, showing that it was s shoddy job. However, I’m fairly certain that this is just a side effect of downscaling a bitmap for the post.
Aesthetically… it’s a bit simplistic, but I think that might do it a bit more justice than not.
And yes, it is rather kid-oriented, but I’m not sure that is such a bad thing. It has a vibe of being fun, and like I said before, I’m pretty sure the target audience is young people looking for fun.
“It’s obvious Sandy doesn’t know much about logo design, since 1. he decided to let people make a new logo and 2. chose a bad one.”
This is the main point I’ve been arguing, obviously. First of all though, I thought you would appreciate him letting the users create the logo.
Number 2 though… again, it’s about the demographics. We don’t know them as well as Sandy, and we don’t know the companies direction as well as Sandy, so I’m giving Sandy the benefit of the doubt, and trusting that he knows what he is doing. I don’t think it’s our place to make managerial decisions for YoYo Games.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:27 am
@Robert B Colton
Someone already made a petition which has got 150 more signatures than the goal.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:27 am
No I was not speaking to you dark depths I was responding to someone above you. I read your comment again to make sure it was not you who I was speaking to.
Another thing how is the Game Maker Language not complex it supports a wide variety of syntax from c++ style to basic. It also has the basic functions and control flow of any programming language. It takes just about the same general knowledge and understanding to replicate.
Everybody go buy Blitz Basic before you turning it to smiley stick figures in some crappy 10 year olds game.
I also highly doubt Fred Fredrickson knows little about the future of where YoYoGames wants to go. That is another ignorant comment.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:29 am
Where is this petition?
November 30th, 2009 at 12:32 am
@ Everyone who is reply to me, I’m trying to respond, but there are too many things to respond to, so sorry if I don’t get to them all!
@ Robert B:
“if this hypothetical poll was on the front page then you see how badly you suck.” You may be right, in a sense… the majority of people *might* hate this logo. AS it stands, however, less than .1% are talking about it. That leads me to conclude that the rest aren’t really interested in the design of the logo. But you might be right, however unless it appears that you are, it would make for a much more beneficial conversation if you stopped assuming that you are.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:34 am
“Come on people, cope with the new LOGO!” Yeah right.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:34 am
@ Robert B:
Sorry for the assumption you were talking to me. Now I will respond to what you were actually saying to me!
Fred Might now where the company wants to go, but I doubt he has as much information as Sandy, and I think we should acknowledge that.
@ Sypran:
I wasn’t really meaning to brag about my abilities. The point of my argument was that GML allows for anyone with any skill level to use it. That doesn’t mean that people of all skill levels are using it. GML could exist without anyone using it. You know what I mean?
November 30th, 2009 at 12:36 am
Don’t forget to sign:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8
November 30th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Ok first of all lets stop talking like sandy is god. I think Fred could take this company in the best direction possible.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:42 am
@ DarkDepths
mmm ok yeah true
OH and I found some fourm or w/e of the other Finalists (or 4 outa 5…?)
http://gamemakerblog.com/2009/11/13/which-of-these-game-maker-8-logos-do-you-prefer/
or I think thats it. It even has the winner’s comment on his own work
November 30th, 2009 at 12:43 am
@ Robert B:
I’m not talking as if Sandy is God, and I’m not talking about who could take the company in the best direction. I’m talking about who is taking the company in whatever direction it is going. Obviously they want to move the company in a different direction, hence the logo change.
Now, assuming they have a plan for where they want to take the company, who do you suppose knows more about which logo would benefit the company? Random internet people, or the management staff of the company?
Maybe it is a bad decision, but again, Sandy is about the only one among us who actually knows the companies plans, target demographics, actual demographics, etc. So know, Sandy is not God, but Sandy knows a ton more about this company than you do.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:49 am
@Robert B Colton
You do know that Fred Fredrickson is a yoyogames mod, right?
November 30th, 2009 at 12:53 am
I think we all know who they target. It is anyone who wants to create games without spending hours of time on it. If you would look at the Game Maker 7 download section of YoYo. Obviously you know they want to move in the direction of change but I don’t think they even know what change means for them.
We know about as much as they do as to how they are changing. They are not changing the logo for a new direction it is because they are listening to the community but not the right voice.
I also don’t think these are random internet people. They have seen game maker from its first incarnations and can remember the days when Mark would help people first hand himself. They probably know almost all the ins and outs of game maker.
November 30th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Exactly this guy is the only one pretty much defending them and he’s as ignorant as they are.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:08 am
@ Robert B:
You’re right, we know that the main target is anyone who wants to create games without too much investment. But for us, that literally means anyone. For Sandy, who has actual data, that might mean tailoring the program more towards a specific demographic, and I think that is what they are doing.
‘I also don’t think these are random internet people. They have seen game maker from its first incarnations and can remember the days when Mark would help people first hand himself. They probably know almost all the ins and outs of game maker.’
That’s fine, they know GameMaker. But that doesn’t mean they know the business.
… do you remember a moderator named N30N? He got out of it pretty quickly, and I doubt he’s been to the GMC in a few years, but I’ve kept in occasional contact with him. He knew GM pretty well too. Do you think his opinion is overly important in this decision? I don’t, so why think that any of our opinions is overly important. Yea, we’re here now, but for us, YoYo is not a major investment. For the people working at YoYo, it is important the business remain viable, so I think they will do what is in the best interest of the company, and that means targeting demographics, maintaining competitive pricing, and working for the users. Again, less than .1% of users have voiced their opinions. It is very possible that 80% of users love this logo. Let’s just see what happens in the coming days/weeks, and deal with it when we know more about the situation.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:08 am
I don’t think it’s April Fool’s Day yet..
November 30th, 2009 at 1:10 am
Actually, it’s still pretty good, except that many of the cool stuff in the old logo is not in the new logo. It’s just a simple gear with a oversized smile… It should have the hammer and all those other things too.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:27 am
I, too, signed up for the Glog just to post this. (I also posted something similar at the petition site, but I crafted it much better for this thread.)
I have no qualm with the quality of the new logo. It’s well done. The text’s font is interesting (uncommon look for the ‘k’) and its colors match well to the gear. The smiley looks like a professional high-gloss icon.
It just simply doesn’t fit. The smiley doesn’t fit. It doesn’t scream “slick and custom-built.” It just screams. It screams and rolls its eyes. This could be an excellent rebranding for some sort of silly/tech-themed chat/IM program, or a gear-based puzzle game bustling with joy and wacky character. It screams joy and wacky character–like an Internet meme waiting to happen. (In fact, after reading many of these posts, I realized that there -is- already an Internet meme with a similar expression.) For comparison of a fun logo retaining seriousness, notice how Yahoo! Messenger’s logo is still bristling with joy in 2009, even after it stopped screaming years ago; for a few short years, Y!M’s logo indeed screamed, and then they toned it down.)
-Therefore,- I can’t see how this fits YoYo Games nor Game Maker. It could fit another context entirely, but I can’t see how this fits YYG nor GM.
Mr. Albert Zak, you did a fine job–and congratulations for being recognized for your quality imagery. However, your design is a little out of place; as a hobbyist musician, occasional visual artist, professional webmaster, and frequent public speaker, I offer you some advice I’ve learned to be very important: Know Your Audience.
YoYo Games, I’m sorry. I really dislike saying things that disappoint people, but I do say this with your -embetterment- in mind. YoYo Games, you should have known better. My very first impression:
When I came to your site’s homepage today, I ignored straight over the new logo, expecting it to be an ad for some game I wouldn’t play. Please realize, 1. I actually pay attention to your ads and 2. I -enjoy- colorful, silly, and goofy. The smile-gear ad, however, looked like a glancing promotion for cliché dime-a-dozen casual games (which I understand are very popular, but generally don’t interest me). I moved right past it, barely taking notice.
Then, when I saw the post headline stating that the logo had been chosen, and realized that -that- was the logo, I was hoping the placement was just coincidental and ironic. But, when I read the post and saw that was the winner, I was truly disappointed, and dismayed. I eventually got over my confused surprise, and considered that perhaps you just didn’t get high-quality -relevant- logos to compete with it. (It’s high quality–just not relevant. In fact, you had asked for entries to complement the YYG brand, and its font doesn’t -really- match, but its coloring doesn’t match at all. This surprised me, too.) And then I saw what other people had apparently entered to the contest–and what ideas people wrote here for improving what won (or suggesting for replacement). Nope, you certainly had high-quality -relevant- options…
Therefore I write this post. Please award the winner the money and pick another logo. -Please.- (Even if we the community have to raise funds so that you don’t have to award yet another chunk of money to a different winner?)
Sincerely, and with all my respect,
Brandon W. Horton
ParodyKnaveBob
November 30th, 2009 at 1:33 am
Well, it’s time for me to grow up and accept this LOGO.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:35 am
No his opinion does not matter and neither does any of the new users as far as I am considered. Only those the actively use Game Maker on a regular basis and campaign for it and have a general understanding of its roots and what it stands for.
But I have a solution. YoYo will probably keep the redball and hammer for the executable icon but just put that shitty one on its site and advertisements. Just don’t ruin the actual program thats all the we really want.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:39 am
Oh, P.S. I apologize, I meant to disclaim my comments:
-IF- your intention -IS- in fact to change YYG and GM’s direction into one where the atmosphere and target audience is focused towards cliché dime-a-dozen casual gaming, bustling-with and screaming-of joy and wacky character (such as the kind found on highly popular and profitable children’s sugarcandycereal boxes from Post, General Mills, Kellogg’s, and any imitator worth any marketing grain), then nevermind, and pardon me. Your logo will likely take you in that new direction -very- well, and I stand corrected and wish you the best.
And as a loyal fan from http://www.gamemaker.nl (and an owner of GM7 Pro) I’m sure I’ll stick around anyway, as will much of your current fanbase.
But it sure would be nice if that weren’t your intended direction and if you thus changed the new logo!
November 30th, 2009 at 1:49 am
P.P.S. Also, if this is in fact YYG’s new direction, and if you, Mr. Albert Zak, anticipated their change in focus, then I rescind my advice in this case (you apparently knew your audience just fine!) and applaud your foresight and risk.
But still, although there are plenty of Flash game websites out there with crazy funky mascots and logos and all, I’ve never seen -anyone- promote Adobe’s Flash in such a manner.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:52 am
@ParodyKnaveBob Wow, really well put!
@Sandy
I know you keep saying it’s a minority, but it’s not. If you go to tigsource, the gmc, this glog, indiegames.com/blog, and even New Grounds, you’ll see what people think. Throughout all those websites, everyone dislikes the logo. I think that should give you a good feeling as to what the majority actually thinks.
I realize it’s not the actual majority, but you can see that practically everybody that has seen it dislikes it.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:00 am
http://www.motivationpics.com/images/you_fail_at_failing.jpg
November 30th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Cmon Sandy, just read some of the comments. People actually spend half an hour writing comments to convince you to change the logo! We all want to save Game Maker from this horrible future that you are causing it. Nobody will want to use Game Maker because of the new logo. It makes people think that Game Maker is a childish program used to write stupid games that only noobs want to play. Here’s an example of someone who really want to save Game Maker from this horrible fate:
# ParodyKnaveBob Says:
November 30th, 2009 at 1:27 am
I, too, signed up for the Glog just to post this. (I also posted something similar at the petition site, but I crafted it much better for this thread.)
I have no qualm with the quality of the new logo. It’s well done. The text’s font is interesting (uncommon look for the ‘k’) and its colors match well to the gear. The smiley looks like a professional high-gloss icon.
It just simply doesn’t fit. The smiley doesn’t fit. It doesn’t scream “slick and custom-built.” It just screams. It screams and rolls its eyes. This could be an excellent rebranding for some sort of silly/tech-themed chat/IM program, or a gear-based puzzle game bustling with joy and wacky character. It screams joy and wacky character–like an Internet meme waiting to happen. (In fact, after reading many of these posts, I realized that there -is- already an Internet meme with a similar expression.) For comparison of a fun logo retaining seriousness, notice how Yahoo! Messenger’s logo is still bristling with joy in 2009, even after it stopped screaming years ago; for a few short years, Y!M’s logo indeed screamed, and then they toned it down.)
-Therefore,- I can’t see how this fits YoYo Games nor Game Maker. It could fit another context entirely, but I can’t see how this fits YYG nor GM.
Mr. Albert Zak, you did a fine job–and congratulations for being recognized for your quality imagery. However, your design is a little out of place; as a hobbyist musician, occasional visual artist, professional webmaster, and frequent public speaker, I offer you some advice I’ve learned to be very important: Know Your Audience.
YoYo Games, I’m sorry. I really dislike saying things that disappoint people, but I do say this with your -embetterment- in mind. YoYo Games, you should have known better. My very first impression:
When I came to your site’s homepage today, I ignored straight over the new logo, expecting it to be an ad for some game I wouldn’t play. Please realize, 1. I actually pay attention to your ads and 2. I -enjoy- colorful, silly, and goofy. The smile-gear ad, however, looked like a glancing promotion for cliché dime-a-dozen casual games (which I understand are very popular, but generally don’t interest me). I moved right past it, barely taking notice.
Then, when I saw the post headline stating that the logo had been chosen, and realized that -that- was the logo, I was hoping the placement was just coincidental and ironic. But, when I read the post and saw that was the winner, I was truly disappointed, and dismayed. I eventually got over my confused surprise, and considered that perhaps you just didn’t get high-quality -relevant- logos to compete with it. (It’s high quality–just not relevant. In fact, you had asked for entries to complement the YYG brand, and its font doesn’t -really- match, but its coloring doesn’t match at all. This surprised me, too.) And then I saw what other people had apparently entered to the contest–and what ideas people wrote here for improving what won (or suggesting for replacement). Nope, you certainly had high-quality -relevant- options…
Therefore I write this post. Please award the winner the money and pick another logo. -Please.- (Even if we the community have to raise funds so that you don’t have to award yet another chunk of money to a different winner?)
Sincerely, and with all my respect,
Brandon W. Horton
ParodyKnaveBob
No I did NOT write this but its just comes to show how much some people really want to change the logo. Just please do something to save the professional, reliable image of Game Maker.
(Great speech by the way, ParodyKnaveBob)
November 30th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Sorry for the long comment lol, but I’m serious about changing the logo.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:44 am
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4859/gm8logo.png
November 30th, 2009 at 2:47 am
Im done trying to convience you keep the stupid logo let the site get filled with dumb games about the logo, after all your the one who gets to make all the choices and all of the other people’s opionions dont matter
November 30th, 2009 at 2:52 am
wow really man that logo is great!
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4859/gm8logo.png
November 30th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Here’s what it looks like in icon form, will release the icon file when it’s ready- it scales wonderfully.
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/230/gm8logowindowsxp.png
November 30th, 2009 at 2:57 am
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/19/gm8logowindows7.png
November 30th, 2009 at 3:19 am
Umm… Razon… I do believe the deadline is passed… so mind me asking why you’re showing an icon you made (nice as it may be)..
Sorry, I just don’t get why people keep doing this… I think if YoYo Games does decide to pick a different logo, they’ll probably go with the final five they had… at least that’s what I think.
Don’t blow up on me for saying that either.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:34 am
Honestly I think my 30 minute logo is more worthy than what took you a couple of hours and I can’t draw for shit. The red ball and hammer in the gear is just amazing. What are you thinking YoYo? Im just gonna expand my c++ knowledge so I don’t need to use this crap anymore and move to gamedev.net
November 30th, 2009 at 3:46 am
Like most of us, I have been patiently anticipating the release of Game Maker 8. When you posted that you would be changing the Game maker logo, I was mildly excited, hoping that it would most likely be better hat the old one. When I saw the logo in the adspace on YYG, I thought it was just an advertisement for yet another web game that people sometimes play, and when I saw that the logo had been chosen, I thought it to be a simple coincidence. Many people have said that they do not like this new logo. And I agree with them entirely. But think. What age group does Game maker target? What age group actually plays video games?
This logo is actually well designed, but, as was said before, does not fit Game Maker. I could see this as a logo for a instant messenger, or, at most, a program that introduces younger children to computers. If a website had a banner ad with this logo on it, would you honestly click on it?
In my opinion, you should change the logo to something that actually looks like it might be used for game making software. This if not just to make us content, but to possibly attract more people onto YYG. Have you even seen logos for other items? It is always something attractive, meaningful, and relates to what it actually is [with a few exceptions]. Judging by these comments, you should change the logo from this before the next RC or final release, otherwise you will have some upset customers on your hands. If you held another competition for the GM8 logo, I would participate even if it didn’t have any prize money.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Why is there a cog around the smiley, anyways? It couldn’t have anything to do with certain competing software that allows you to ah… CONSTRUCT games, which also happens to have had a cog in its logo, would it?
November 30th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Well said, Fish9. Couldn’t have put it better myself. =D
November 30th, 2009 at 3:55 am
@Chris McCoy
I don’t expect them to change their logo, and they said that they didn’t want the hammer either so I know that they would never go with this. Also this was made after the winner was chosen, it went like this.
1: Albert Zak’s logo was chosen as the winner.
2: wppktninja merged one of ND(from gamemakerblog)’s logos that he had submitted, with the winning logo by sticking the ball logo over the smiley face.
3: I took that merged one and changed the color of the ball, and fixed the gamemaker letters- and made it into an icon.
It’s to show people and YYG a decent logo (and how much better the winning logo could be with such a simple change as this), also others can use the icon file that’s posted later if they want to. Since many say that they won’t use the smiley as their icon, it doesn’t hurt to have fresh replacement options for it.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:56 am
That thing is pretty stupid looking, in my opinion. Please change it and get it right this time. :\
November 30th, 2009 at 4:00 am
I’m not going to lie to you… I do not, in the least bit, like this logo.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Okay. Sorry. I didn’t know if you were one of the people who was saying “Hey, look at my logo! I think it’d be better than this piece of junk!” or not. It’s kinda getting annoying. But yeah, I see your point.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:18 am
Razon’s Logo is very nice, I can’t wait for the icon file. I will definetely change the icon if this emoticon is used as Game Maker’s new logo.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:21 am
Sandy, instead of going “new logo suxxorz” or something like that, I’m going to say this politely.
Okay, first off, I know that you don’t HAVE to listen to us, but I don’t see why you wouldn’t. For example, let’s take Firefox. Firefox has volunteers contributing to it. In this way, they take input from their audience. They then use this input to better their program. Another similar case is Wikipedia, and look how that flourishes.
You see, we’re the people that support you and your efforts right now (for the most part). In addition, many of us have used Game Maker for years and know the quality of the program very well. We’ve come to expect a certain standard of quality. This logo, I’m afraid, does not live up to our standard.
Don’t you see, Sandy? We’re not trying to work against you, though some comments are just plain mean and rude and may seem that way. The thing is that we’re trying to help you make the program better not only for us, but for new users in the future, as well. There’s no downside to taking what we say into account.
So I ask this of you, is a petition with over 500 signatures not enough to show you that we really care about how the logo looks? If not, there must be something we can do to show you how we feel about it and help you to make it better. Please, tell us what we can do to accomplish this.
Thank you.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Please answer Sandy, we need to know if you are listening to our input or not.
@ SD
“We’ve come to expect a certain standard of quality. This logo, I’m afraid, does not live up to our standard.”
I completely agree with your comment. Yoyo games lowering the standards on their logo makes me think they will do the same to thier software.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:04 am
Fwiw, I considered entering the contest, but didn’t. (My idea was imitating the “YoYo” font and colorization and gradients and all, and spelling out Game Maker in such a way that the trailing right side pixelated off into pieces (possibly “Game” ontop “Maker” but maybe just “Game” beside “Maker” like “Yo” is beside “Yo”).) However, I expected my idea was generic enough that any number of others would do it–and surely do it a lot better than I–and thus I would leave that task to people with more time and ability on their hands while I kept toiling away at my job and volunteer work.
(My point is, I don’t like the idea of criticism without construction; I’ve given critique, but where’s my construction? I just figured others would more easily find the time to construct my construction better than I could anyway, and therefore I didn’t.)
I’m fascinated by the fact that the creator apparently said he didn’t like his own logo, either…
And I appreciate the fact that Mr. Sandy Duncan said he’d be paying attention to both sides of this discussion for awhile. Thank you.
And, I find it interesting that the non-staff proponents for the new logo as it stands haven’t done anything like, say, start a petition to keep it.
Lastly, I like the question posed by Captain_Cook and some others here: Is there any chance we could be told what exact traits caused this logo to be chosen and thus be recognized as superior to all the other submissions?
Regards,
Brandon W. Horton
ParodyKnaveBob
November 30th, 2009 at 5:06 am
All right…
My advice to everyone is to simply calm down… I’m not saying I like the logo, but the earth is still spinning; and when you wake up tomorrow, really, very little will be different… I’m not talking to those who have calmly stated their opinion; I’m talking to those who have completely flipped out…
And I just have to say – “Lowering standards,” people? Really? I may not like it, but it’s still just a logo…
Give Sandy a break, that’s all I’m saying…
November 30th, 2009 at 5:10 am
I’m calmed down but…
Sandy, one little note… even though you may want the logo, most of us don’t, you made a poll for us to decide, and you didn’t use it… the whole world doesn’t revolve around you
November 30th, 2009 at 5:17 am
? … This has been blown way out of proportion… We’re judging people’s character now? Where did that come from?
November 30th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Where is Sandy?
@Sandy we shall waiting for you!
November 30th, 2009 at 5:55 am
@ Comico
I think Sandy should have payed attention to the poll and used that as the main rating for the logos, but please Comico; Don’t start insulting him and judging people’s character.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:05 am
The man is in denial:
http://twitter.com/zanderduyoyo
”We get 1M visitors a month….Game Maker downloads up to 5,000 times a day. You are part of a very vocal minority.”
”There are a a noisy minority. I expected it ….”
”Nice…don’t lose any sleep. There was no new ogo (unless it had a hammer and “Easy Game Development”) they would have liked !”
Minority?
November 30th, 2009 at 6:06 am
@Sandy
Hey Sandy, it’s John (aka Super_Drunk). I sent a message to your account but never heard back from you
I’ve noticed that you’re catching a lot of flack about the new logo, I’d like to extend an offer to design a new one (for free of course).
Anyway, best of luck dealing with all the craziness lol! You have the patience of a saint!
Regards,
John,
November 30th, 2009 at 6:09 am
I seriously don’t like the image at all.
Prize aside, you can give Albert Zak his winnings but seriously…
The font is horrible, the graphics are lacking in “resolution” it’s not AAed at all.
I’m 100% certain that if you left it up to the masses of the community this would not have been what the majority would have picked.
Congratulations Albert Zak for winning Sandy’s view on the new logo, but you guys (Sandy and Mark) seriously need to leave it to the GMC to decide.
Afterall, it’s us, the user, that uses game maker on a regular basis. In all honesty, we should have some say in this matter.
Please give it some thought.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Also, remember this?
“We’re looking for a design that is more modern, communicates the vitality and excitement of what Game Maker stands for and fits better with the rest of the YoYo Games Branding”
I don’t see all that in the new logo.
As requested, Please give it some thought.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:21 am
@DarkDepths’s following quote: “You may be right, in a sense… the majority of people *might* hate this logo. AS it stands, however, less than .1% are talking about it. That leads me to conclude that the rest aren’t really interested in the design of the logo.”
Or, more likely, most of the people who are not talking about it haven’t actually seen the logo yet? And most people who see the logo and form an opinion about it won’t express their opinion, but that neither implies that they are not interested in the design of the logo, nor that they do not believe it is a bad logo.
***ATTENTION***
Does anyone know who was responsible for choosing the logo? Can someone please supply me their email addresses / personal contacts? I am not planning to spam, only to rationalize with the team and hopefully prevent YYG from making a huge, huge mistake.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:22 am
***ATTENTION***
Does anyone know who was responsible for choosing the logo? Can someone please supply me their email addresses / personal contacts? I am not planning to spam, only to rationalize with the team and hopefully prevent YYG from making a huge, huge mistake.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Sorry for yet another post in this topic, but I will say this:
I do not like the new logo in the least. However, if this choice is indeed final, I can accept that. I don’t think it is the responsibility of GM to cave in to whatever everyone else thinks. The releases for GM8 have been great so far, and my not liking the logo will not detract from my appreciation of the program. Thanks to Sandy and everyone else at Yoyogames for their work on this.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:12 am
I WILL CREATE NEW LOGO IF YOU GUYS NED(for m8 pro free)
November 30th, 2009 at 8:06 am
I love the way Sandy says we’re the “vocal minority.” The voting http://gamemakerblog.com/2009/11/13/which-of-these-game-maker-8-logos-do-you-prefer/ (which was apparently completely ignored) put this logo at dead last, which, of course, makes us the majority.
And really, I’m fine with a non-hammer logo, even though the hammer was cool. I’m just not fine this for OBVIOUS REASONS.
Apparently GM8 is great in all other aspects. I wonder why they’re so hellbent on this glaring flaw? Aesthetics, image, and branding are extremely important, you know.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:18 am
I won’t say I will stop using Game Maker after 5 years because of this new logo.
But had there been a similar logo back when I started I would never have used Game Maker.
This logo obscures the depth of game development that can be reached with Game Maker.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Yuck. Just Yuck.
If they stick wit this, i’m staying with GM7 just cause of logo.
seriously, it makes me wanna puke.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Lol, look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Maker#Game_Maker_8_Logo_Uprising
November 30th, 2009 at 10:06 am
I REALLY think this logo is great, but the problem is that it don’t look enought professionnal so it’s a little bit embarassing for a programmor when his favorit langage is assimilat to a kid langage (I am a French newsmaker of the biggest GameMaker french community http://www.lecbna.org/) I will write an article soon, and I think that lot of french will have the same reaction. Maybe you should better choose something like 5 logo and let the community vote on its.
Your choose was courageous ^^
November 30th, 2009 at 10:20 am
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Game_Maker#History
yep.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:21 am
“1% are talking about it.”
How many accounts on the GMC do you really think are actively used? That is like Sandy saying Game Maker is downloaded 5000 times a day. So apparently every day 5000 new users hop on board the GM train? Reality does not work that way.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:41 am
“I’m however still kind of puzzled why only 8% picked this as their favorite, but I’m glad Sandy and a few others realized what’s really behind this logo.”
http://gamemakerblog.com/2009/11/28/interview-with-game-maker-8-logo-creator/
November 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am
This is just all nonsense. Even as I stated above that some people won’t want to voice their opinion. Put a pull on YoYo homepage and you’ll see. Also I think if the majority of posting here about how unproffessional the logo is are probably in the young age group of 10-16. I am. I don’t think the age group has anything to do with this.
Another thing telling people to calm down is only gonna make it worse there is no way in hell were backing down over this. This is where our community needs to draw the line and YoYo Games madness.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Yeah, i think it’s time to choose sides, either the 8 year olds and their mario and zelda clones, or the professional side of game maker.
D&D or GML.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
FAIL!
I cant believe it. Old logo was absolutely better.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Holy **** people are so worked up about this that there is over 700 comments!!!!!! Oh well, I’m learning c++ now.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I actually don’t think we will have a problem with more little kid games if this is a logo cuz so far every little kid Ive heard of who wanted to do game maker got scared when they saw the new logo cuz it was creepy.
I think all that is needed is to
1: make the smile a bit smaller
2:put a gear under each letter and have some letters tilting so it looks like there turning
3: have the smiley holding a power drill(with an arm that is not attached to the body of course)
and 4: put text under it that says ‘for new and experienced users’
with this the gears would symbolize the the work inside, the smiley would symbolize game maker being fun, and the power drill would symbolize the easiness of game maker(whats easyer drilling a screw in with a screw driver or a power drill?)
I would email these suggestions to the creator of the logo but I couldn’t find his email anywhere.
(as I’m sure sandy would let him send an even better logo to represent game maker)
November 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I’ll be using this: http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4859/gm8logo.png
if you decide to use that logo, for both GM7 and GM8.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Re comments.
1. 6 year olds will overrun the community.
Um, so what? Why do you hate kids? Let them come, buy Game Maker and do whatever they want to as long as they observe the rules. If there’ll be 100 new users for one lost, no problem.
The problem is, the majority of kids want to grow up. They prefer *toys* that convey a “cool” image instead of a childish one. The modern Nerf gun looks awesome, it doesn’t have a clown face or anything of the sort. And of course they wouldn’t want actual tools to look immature.
2. Only 0.06% of the user base dislikes the logo, therefore it’s okay.
That’s how surveys work: You ask a sample of the population, record their reactions and extrapolate. If the logo is kid-oriented, and there’s a general impression of kids in the GMC as numerous and annoying, why a noticeable lack of their positive comments? Of course no logo is going to please anyone, but such outrage is not normal.
3. Those who say they’ll stop using GM because of the logo are stupid.
Those who would lock themselves in the cupboard and cry instead of programming surely *are* stupid. Switching to another programming tool is a valid choice, though.
4. It’s a ploy to make people go Pro.
Personally, I’m actually okay with this, as long as the smiley doesn’t show anywhere in the Pro version, not just in games: Smiley for the kids (free version) and a serious tool for paying users. Universally, the smiley is still a bad choice.
5. Fix the program so it doesn’t show the smiley.
Those engaging in attempts to procure a smiley-free modification would be exposed to pirated copies of Game Maker.
6. Maybe Sandy plans to change the target audience.
No he doesn’t. Have you looked at the release candidate? Does it have a pink flash interface?
7. The smiley logo is good.
No. The smiley itself is generic and does not identify GM in any way. Smileys are universally associated with IMs and Yahoo’s product in particular, malware IM plugins and Wal-mart. The gear is associated with Construct in the game-making community.
8. The hammer is bad.
Dear Sandy,
The Soviet Union, as you’re probably aware, has collapsed eighteen years ago. Most of your prospective userbase, the ones you plan to entice with the horrible smiley, remember nothing about it. *You* are stuck in the past, thinking hammer = commies (1991) and smiley = modern (1963).
In the videogame community, hammers are mostly associated with dwarves – and among those who make games, with Game Maker.
9. There’ll be an increase in sales, and you’ll see the new logo works.
Of course there’ll be an increase: the new version (1) with Mac support (2) and no buggy DRM wrappers (3). What’s not to love? …Oh, right.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
As i said on yoyogames blog:
—
I don’t like the logo. It is too childish in my opinion.
Sorry YYG, you get a [/facepalm], i want the old logo back ASAP.
-NessXX
—-
I love GAMEMAKER and YYG, but this logo is one big EPIC FAIL (yes even a yyg mod have to say that), or just a late April Fools’ Day joke. The logo is going to make people think that the gamemaker users is one big group of kindergarten kids.
Note: I have nothing against the logo’s drawing at all, it looks awesome! But just not to a gamemaker program.
“ALSO PLEASE DO NOT FLAME ALBERT ZAK.”
I have signed.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
EDIT: I mean gamemaker blog sorry.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Has anyone noticed that Sandy said in comment #34 on this page: http://glog.yoyogames.com/?p=577
“We will probably pass the winning design to our agency anyway. The design is the most important thing.”
To me that implies room for them to adjust/make the winning design better. I too dislike the smiley representing Game Maker and if they would consider replacing/somehow improving? the face (even keeping the gear and the rest) it seems a lot of the community would be appeased. Nevertheless, I will still plan on using Game Maker but will most likely change the icon.
November 30th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Those who say that it would bring more members are retarted. You are choosing quantity over quality and a quantity that spams the site and downloads torrents of game maker and or does not pay for the software. And it is not kids we are trying to keep out its unrespectable noobs because the majority of us are kids!
November 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Lol someone should draw a picture of a red dude with a hammer smashing this!
November 30th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Dude someone should flush this piece of shit excuse for an artist down the toilet.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
I remade it on paint and it was way better.
Follow this on twitter: @gm8_logo_fails
November 30th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
@EjM (post #736):
Yeah, I’m hoping that you are right and they will do some editing of the logo. If that is the case, I don’t really have much of a complaint. I just wish Yoyo would say something about it.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Hey. The Logo is off the main Yoyo page.
Does that mean…..?
November 30th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Well… I will avoid big words about the logo. I really do not understand from the artist’s point of view, why you’ve chosen it. My opinion:
1. “How is the logo represents Game Maker’s past?”
The logo has nothing to do with Game Maker. Game Maker is the hammer (in the heads of 1000s of customers). Okay, it might not be linked to it in the head of newcoming customers, but many of them will look back to the history of Game Maker, and will see a mess (first red, then green, and now a yellow something, colors are used totally confusing). Many will be confused, and many won’t recognize GM when they meet it on the web.
2. “How many effort might take the creation of the logo?”
The logo is unprofessional. The elements are dull in themselves. The author picked a character set, and wrote the “Game Maker” text in 2 colors. Then took an overrendered cog, and put smiley head into it. If you ask me, if it was drawn by the author (which might be NOT the case), it wouldn’t take more than 2 hours for an experienced artist. As I see, there wasn’t any effort put into the project.
3. “How the logo fits together, and creates style?”
The elements has nothing to do with each other. The font has nothing to do with the cog (a flat font). The cog is rendered metallic, and the smiley is a plastic something. Different elements, different styles, total confusion.
4. “What does it say about Game Maker to the users?”
Game Maker is capable to create professional (up to shareware, or simple – non3D AAA) games. Does this logo show it? Not at all. It shows something funny, something smiley-y, something for pre-school kids. A gaming site? A freeware coloring book? Anything, but not a game making tool.
Sum: The logo has nothing to do with Game Maker. The logos says nothing about Game Maker. The logo is done using simple effects, without effort. The logo does not look good, the parts do not fit together.
So… I really don’t understand the decision, I am sorry.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
This logo is horrible. I won’t buy somethink what look like toy for 10 years old girls..
November 30th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
No way I’m putting that on my desktop. All this time I’ve been trying to defend GM a legitimate programming tool, and you guys have to dress it up like it’s a silly toy for children!
You guys seem to think you need to turn this project into a cross between addictinggames.com and YouTube. There isn’t a market for that. There really isn’t. GM’s only respectable future was as a programming tool that helped aspiring game programmers learn in an accessible environment, and that even kids could use.
GM was already accessible to kids. By marketing this the way you are, you’re making it inaccessible to everyone else.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Hey, they’ve removed the new Logo from the main advertising space! Wonder what their ulterior idea was though, but it means that somewhere out there, Sandy sits in his office, knowing of our peril, and is waiting to answer our wishes… or something…
But, as I see it now, no newcomer to Game Maker will ever see the Logo (atleast not yet)
November 30th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
@Engine
“But, as I see it now, no newcomer to Game Maker will ever see the Logo (atleast not yet)”
Unless he or she clicks on this link, and sees the image with the text.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
And Sandy, since you claim that the haters are in the minority:
The majority of people have not spoken, therefore most people are OK with the changes. Am I getting your logic correctly?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever
Take care to read “Appeal to Ignorance” because that is exactly what you’re doing. Just because millions of people haven’t said a word doesn’t mean they agree with you by default.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Yeah the fact the text does not match the shading of the cod is terrible.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
I think it’s very fitting logo for Gamemaker considering it’s so easy to use and there’s so few functions and differend types of games you can do in it. I have tried it, there’s like 200 possible commands like “Drop the stone”, “Shoot” or “Move”. Yeah, it’s a toy for kids to make their “own” simple games. Very good logo.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
It’s gone
– now I can look at the yoyogames website in college without being embarrassed. I am a little worried about the lack of feedback we’re getting though, why havn’t Sandy (and Mark?) expanded on why they chose that Logo – they might have some good points 
Also Sandy mentioned they would get some professional design artists to revamp the idea, it might look a bit better, they would change those eyes for a start :S.
Don’t get the wrong idea – I still really don’t like it, but maybe the revamped version might not be so bad. It could be that that’s what Sandy’s waiting for before responding again.
Also loving that video – literally ROFL
@Sandy – Say Summit!!
November 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
What’s up with the smileys? :S
November 30th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I find this whole thread to be thoroughly ridiculous. We’re supposed to be “game-makers”, not critics. None of you would be here posting if it weren’t for the tireless efforts of these people whom you seem to despise and so easily able to heckle.
So what if the new logo would attract children? Isn’t that a good thing? I’m a student in Northwest Arkansas, and I’m the only person I know of who’s ever dabbled in gamedesign. Attracting aspiring game-makers and exposing children to a different more accessible medium of art…I would think would be a good thing.
Anyone who knows anything about good game design knows that graphics accounts for very little–they are a means to an end, not an end within themselves. What matters is the content, the sustenance of the game itself.
And in this case, I think Gamemaker has enough sustenance to carry ANY logo, regardless of public opinion.
Since when do gamers care what other people think anyway?
November 30th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
as I said in my other post I think this is more likely to scare little children then it is to attract them. every little kid I have heard of that wanted to do game maker got scared when they saw the logo. and if you think that it would attract more older kids guess again, Im 12 and if I saw this logo when I started gamemaker I think I would have turned it down, good thing I didn’t cuz I really like gamemaker
November 30th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Children arn’t the problem, the NOOBS are, they just edit examples and claim them as there own, and all these get high ratings and they’re like WOW what an edit. All the good games get pushed down.
IS THAT THE KIND OF COMMUNITY YOU WANT?
November 30th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I knew GM was undergoing changes,and many ‘upgrades’… but this logo just doesn’t fit with the GM feel… Where do we see a ‘gear’ OR ‘smiley’ theme when operating GM? Both symbols are icons of the past… and a past we are trying to escape from…
If i were looking for a program to use to make games, i’d see this, and turn away, with a 50% chance of downloading at first glance, because it gives the appearance that GM is simply another engine with many limitations… heck… the Smiley is limited inside of a gear :/ and gears are limited in their actions to only be able to effect other gears
In my opinion…not a good logo for the future….and hardly a good logo for the past.
But, i guess only time will tell how crappy a logo it will be.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
@engine It was costing me money to watch the new logo….I never planned to let it run longer than just the weekend.
@all I’m just reading and learning at the moment, we won’t change what we’re doing, but I’m willing to see evolution, not revolution…hope that helps ?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
@umg:”Anyone who knows anything about good game design knows that graphics accounts for very little”
I’m afraid this comment is wrong, for two reasons:
1. Graphics are ridiculously important for game promotion, and play a primary role in the gameplay of almost any game.
2. We are not talking about the graphics of a game here – we are talking about the logo of a company. Completely different thing.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
@monocledsardine: You’re right about that.
@sandy: I’m glad to see that you posted. Would it be possible for us to at some point see the official runners-up?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
@Sandy
How about evolution as in, keep the gear but use one of the snazzy new hammers you got instead of that smiley everyone hates?
I understand not trying to please everyone. How about trying to please 98% of the people? Is that feasible?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
@sandy … so just for the records, no matter how much the logo is hated, it wont be changed? (curious what’s goin on in your heads)
November 30th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
@jakhak and stargate: Oh, come on guys, give Sandy a break. He just posted to say that he is in fact listening to us – one of the things we really were waiting for him to say – and also that he is willing to change the logo to some extent, but not by drastic measures. Why are you trying to pressure him into saying exactly how much the logo will be changed? That will be determined in due time. I am very happy that Sandy posted at all.
@Legolas: Look at this unofficial vote on the logos to see the runners up: http://gamemakerblog.com/2009/11/13/which-of-these-game-maker-8-logos-do-you-prefer/
November 30th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
@sandy Nice to see you posted at last. I hope that the community, who mostly dislike the smiley and you guys, the staff who just paid 250$ to get rights for it can get a nice compromise. Can we see the runner-ups, please?
November 30th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
and preferrably some notes on every runner-up why that particular logo should/shouldn’t be the winner
November 30th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Sandy, I don’t think you understand. I know that you paid money for the logo, but my advice seriously is to just pay the man and use a different logo. Let’s say that there are 12 people that are discouraged from buying GM because of this new logo. With GM going at $20 a copy, you’ve just lost $240, which is just about how much you paid for this logo. If you instead change the logo instead, and those 12 people aren’t discouraged from buying, then you instead gain $240 which almost pays off the logo.
November 30th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
stargateanubis14 I am not @zaphodbeeblebrox I only have one head.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
“we won’t change what we’re doing, but I’m willing to see evolution, not revolution…” Can the smiley be removed? It does not have to be a hammer, use a puzzle piece or something. Something more video game related. (Less Yahoo! Messenger)
November 30th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Evolution vs Revolution if Albert Zak is one of he judges ? (and no hammers !)
November 30th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Sandy, can I just ask you why you are against the hammer so much?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
@SD I just hate it…someone hit me on the head with one when I was 16…is that enough ?? …I just don’t like it..now…if you REALLY want to move on, this is a (slim) lifeline I don’t care too much about giving ….
November 30th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Who left it to Sandy to decide the Logo winner anyways?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
@SD They’re gunna sell GM8 at $25, so only 10 people being put off will mean they’ve lost money
@Sandy The hammer is Game Maker’s brand, I don’t see why your so dedicated to change it. ALL of the previous stuff (including the book, which is awesome) will no longer seem connected to Game Maker. There are some very professional revamps of the hammer logo which would not look out of place on Windows 7 and Mac. Surely looking like a cool clean professional tool is a better idea. You could keep this logo for some kind of Jr version (someone else’s idea that I read somewhere) which would match its appeal.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
@snowleopard
I wasn’t trying to insult sandy
November 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Ok disregard what I just recently said.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Also Sandy – can you at least make sure your grammer is good. It’s kind of disconcerting having the leader of a company giving jokey, bad answers to serious questions. “I just hate it” is not a good answer. Have people ever associated Game Maker with communism (one of your earlier comments)? No, they havn’t. If your going to keep giving crappy answers can we please talk to Mark. He’s a professor, I’m sure he’ll answer like an adult..
November 30th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Sandy this is just not a good logo design but neither was the old one. The logo doesn’t look professional it breaks many rules of logo creation 101. That said I think the gear is a good idea it represents the inner workings of something which is really what game making is all about. But the simiely has to go it looks like a very generic emoticon I can not imagine why company would want to represent themselves with something that generic looking. You need something more unique that people can still relate to. A lot of the larger bookstores carry books full of logo art I suggest you look at one and get some inspiration than find a new logo.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Dear Sandy,
I’m sorry to hear about being hit with a hammer… Though I do that all the time to myself (not on purpose of course) however, I don’t think a Smile is really a thing I think of with game making. That to me is the after effect when It’s finished. the Gear is a great symbol for it definitely shows like inner workings. But a Hammer is basically a universal icon of work, Construction. Something Game Maker is. Game Maker isn’t the Game it’s self.
Well That’s all I really can think of to say.
Thank you for your time to read this;
Sypran
November 30th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
oh PS – you say “Evolution vs Revolution” isn’t the smile a revolution? vs the evolution of the hammer? – or were you wanting revolution?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Sandy, I have no problem with a new fresh logo. I will even accept a smiley face if it is improved upon. Game Builder uses a Pac-Man like smiley face. I really do not like the over exaggeration of the current logo, and how the eyes are so up in the air. Would it be possible to make the smiley more Pac-Man like or is that illegal do to copyrights? Also note Sandy, the GMC topic I have been posting in is just me fooling around. I don’t actually belong to an army trying to “overthrow the establishment” so to speak. =P No matter what logo you choose I will still support Game Maker.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Sandy says:
“we won’t change what we’re doing”
—
Yay! thanks for replace the smiley logo for an Google Ad ^^
November 30th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
@bzdbbb Where did you go to school ??? Grammer ?? , Havn’t ??? What’s that ?
Did you learn that before or after spleling ?
November 30th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
(On the main page)
November 30th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
@Sandy Okay I guess I take back what I said about you not giving a crap about what we think, and I am sorry about the Hammer thing. (the Soviet Union still seemed kinda uncalled for) but the smile is still reeeealy creepy
November 30th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Sandy mocking people. Not very classy. I know that you have got to be irate at all of us disliking what you chose, but that is pretty low.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
I need to admit, this is amazing. 783 comments, when the glog can’t do numbers up to 30.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
heh, I just remembered his response to GM8logosuckz, Hello. not exactly what I’d call professional.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Sandy,
People do not care whether or not I use good grammar, I am not the head of a company. I am deeply sorry for missing out that “e” and I have taken care to make sure that this post is more accurate. Thank you for pointing out my hypocrisy. I am sorry that I have offended you, but I’m sure people would be much happier if you structured your replies in a more official way and gave solid arguments based on customer feedback and business experience.
So please can you explain your view in a clear concise way to help us understand your decision.
Bzdbbb
P.S. You spelt spelling wrong. The irony is hilarious.
P.P.S. Where did I go to school? If your’re trying to insult my intelligence I’m a straight A* student who’s doing a Degree level Coding course in Yr 12 ¬_¬
November 30th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
@bzdbbb. I think that spelling ‘spelling’ as ‘spleling’ may of been on purpose, other wise LOL.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Here is an eye fix example, full res bmp:
Hammer is not coming back guys, we need to compromise and fix the smiley.
http://i49.tinypic.com/10dcrrd.jpg
November 30th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
@bzdbbb There’s a Frank Zappa song about you…now I’m REALLY showing my age AND my sense of humour.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
@Sandy: LOL
@Andy: I like the edit
November 30th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
@Zeroc… ah touche ! (wish I could do the proper accent grave, as they say in France, in bbcode
)
November 30th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
@Sandy: meh, I’m actually not french (all though the name sounds like it. I actually live in the US)
November 30th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Even I’m not going to read through all the comments – I’ve seen enough garbage, and enough insightful comments, that I guess I should be able to post.
First of all, anybody who didn’t submit a logo and is complaining about how little power you have should stop yourselves, right now. If you wanted a nicer logo, you should have put the effort in to make one.
I understand completely why this logo was chosen – compared to the others, it represents fun. Game Maker was never and still isn’t meant for professional works, it’s meant to be a -fun-, -easy- program for people to turn their ideas into reality. If you can’t appreciate that, you should learn a new platform.
On the other hand, I do agree that the logo just isn’t right. It’s shiny, it’s modern, it’s clean, but it’s just…not right. It doesn’t represent creation or creativity, it -just- represents “fun”. Am I going to stop using Game Maker? No, I will be purchasing GM8 as soon as it’s available, just like everyone else with some sense. I disagree with your decision, but I support it whole-heartedly, because I’m not putting in countless hours and effort to make sure YoYoGames thrives as both a company and a community.
I hope anybody just blindly insulting Sandy and Albert gets over the fact that they didn’t get $250 and just let the people in charge of making decisions make their decisions.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
I think it’s just fine. It could be little bit better, but then again it could also be way worse.
What I think could be considered is differend eyes, I don’t really like how the emotion is looking up and the gradient on the teeth could be less intense.
Thats just my two cents.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
No matter what the logo is I’ll replace the smiley with the edit Razon made.
So at this point I don’t care what you use as the logo anymore. go ahead and use the smiley XP I’ma gonna use the good ol’ hammer.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Like Andy said, let’s at least go for a compromise. It’s clear that we aren’t really fans of the current smiley, and it wouldn’t be nearly as bad if it was something like what he posted. After all, you bought the logo, so you can do whatever you want with it, right?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Oh by the way, is this final or are you possibly still tweaking / polishing it somehow?
This thing needs an edit button.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Sandy,
That is not a serious answer. Try again.
Bzdbbbb
November 30th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
I wouldn’t be suprised if he just gives you another non serious answer.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Reading the last few posts I sense there’s some common sense floating about ….I’ll take positive suggestions along these lines.. It’s NOT about money…
Firstly, I want Albert to agree to any changes to HIS logo, but I’m prepared to LISTEN..and even pay out more prize money if, AND only IF, we can reach a consensus that Albert’s design is essentially OK…..testing, testing, testing ….
November 30th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I think Sandy’s had it.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I think it’s essentially okay, just the eyes creep me out, and the k does look kinda weird at first.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Dang, is it just me or am I starting to sound like a suck up?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
@Creatorr pls don’t tell me I don’t listen, then accuse me of listening OK ?
November 30th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Zeroc: you sound like a suck up
*joking*
November 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Can you ask Albert is he will accept remaking the eyes Sandy? I have a higher quality version of the eye edit I did, I see uploading it messed up the quality some. Albert can have it to use – heck he can claim it as his own. I don’t need money. Maybe he can just get inspired by it and draw them himself. He is a good artist, no doubt he can remake the eyes.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
@falkflyer:
I suppose you have a point. I suppose “fun” would be the reason for the new logo, but it doesn’t look right.
To me, it isn’t too much of a problem that this logo contains a smiley. What makes it so… unfitting… is how distorted the Smiley looks. Paste the Awesome Smiley over it and it looks fine. The one in the logo just looks… off. Uncanny. Abstract. Ugly. Eeeehhhhhhh.
And to you people who wouldn’t buy GM8 over a silly logo: use your heads. Sure, the smiley is ugly, but good grief! It isn’t the end of the world!
November 30th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Personally, I think you should just change anything regardless of Albert’s thoughts – I appreciate his work and all, but contrary to what I might have said, I do think that you should be open to suggestions from the community. The whole point of taking ownership of the logo was to allow any use of it – including modification. I think if you want to change it, you should do it sooner rather than later to shut all the whiners up.
Also, I wouldn’t like to see more money offered; at this point, do what you want with it, but don’t submit yourselves to more torture from the masses who might disagree further. They had their chances, now you just need to perfect the image.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
[...] – Sandy Duncan, YYG Blog [...]
November 30th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
”
I think it’s essentially okay, just the eyes creep me out, and the k does look kinda weird at first.
”
I agree, just fix the eyes and it’s decent.
November 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Sandy- Can you explain why the smiley face is so important to the final logo, as it doesn’t seem to be a very good link to a game making program- yeah, games are fun, and game making can be fun, but the current logo doesn’t have the ‘video game’ element you had in the previous one. Also, it’s eerily similar to Yahoo’s smiley icon;it’s not very original. You do what you feel is best for your company, though these last days, your response to a movement of concerned fans(people who buy your product!) wasn’t all that encouraging.
Lastly, it is very common in these types of contests (draw a mascot!) to have professional artists go over the winner’s design. The problem in this case, is that the design is so unimaginative and bland, that going over it only risks making it look more like the Yahoo one, or some other generic smiley thing.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:07 am
@Lurk Don’t go there, he ends up putting loads of question marks and getting angry over you over missing out “e”‘s
@Sandy Progress
– What about the design makes it the winner? Which aspects do you consider the essence of the design, the things you will defiantly not change?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:09 am
and on an unrelated issue – can you fix the smileys?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:17 am
bzdbbb something funny in the WP
template that send smileys and other stuff where you don’t want them.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:17 am
@Sandy
I’m glad you feel that way, I can see why you would only want evolution. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it! But I want to point out that the change in this logo is much more of a revolution then an evolution. It’s changed in every way except for the name. That’s how I see it, thanks for replying though although I’m a bit disappointed by the length. Could you please tell us what direction your planning to go on with the logo, I noticed that you had mentioned you where going to hand it over to your people or something, does that mean this isn’t the final version?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:21 am
@bzdbbb btw..didn’t get angry with you ?????? !!!!!!!! Though that particular post from you lacked finesse !!!!!!!! and resultant sense of humour failure ! Subsequently pointed out by others “in absentia gratis”
Straight A’s in English, French and Psychology !
December 1st, 2009 at 12:24 am
So Sandy, you thinking about asking Albert about the eyes? =P
December 1st, 2009 at 12:28 am
@darkfire …as far as I’m concerned the logo IS final…what I’m saying is I’m listening and, if there’s enough consensus amongst the dissenters I’m prepared to look at subtle improvements. For those of you who think the decision is financial, I’m even prepared to pay out some more money, but I need to have some sense that this isn’t just a “we don’t like it because it’s new” kind of argument
December 1st, 2009 at 12:31 am
Sandy- You did not answer my questions. Since you made clear the logo is final, can you explain the link between ‘game maker’ and having no video game symbolism included into your new logo? How about the fact that it is dangerously close to plagiarizing the yahoo im logo? Why the smiley?
December 1st, 2009 at 12:36 am
@Sandy
Have you read every single post here? I have and I can tell you that only a few have said that they dont like the new logo because its not hammer-ish and old skool GM logo. Majority thinks that the problem is with the smiley and I think you will understand it eventually. Look at those eyes. Hundreds of posts say that “smiley doesn’t fit game maker” they don’t mean that “new logo sux cuz mine logo didnt win” which both You and Albert Zak(in the interview) have claimed.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:44 am
PS You say you are listening… You should have listened right from the start and replied when people politely wrote long replies and tried to ask you some facts about the decision of the logo. It might be hard to search all those replies now.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:44 am
I think I know why Sandy wants to change the GM Logo – It looks too much like the Soviet Union Hammer.
Don’t believe me? Go here.
http://forums.yoyogames.com/forums/3/topics/33154
And also, scroll up and read Comment 134. Here’s a quote.
“”"OMG I think I will go to bed (soon) having nightmares of a logo with a hammer in it !! Em last time I saw a logo with a hammer it was the Soviet Union or…was it Game Maker… ?? Maybe I’m not up to date with the 1960’s ??”"”
- Sandy Duncan.
Sandy, I could be wrong, but if you wanted changed the logo because it looked to much like the Soviet Union flag, then THAT IS THE MOST PATHETIC REASON to change the logo that I have thought of.
GM has been around for 10 YEARS! And has anybody ever taken offense by the similar resemblance? No. If they did, Mark Overmars would have been sued. So, if this is true, then change it back. Now.
Go ahead and flame me / call me crazy, and Sandy might even deny it if I’m right. I have doubts, this is not a 100% sure theory of mine. But It’s somewhat close to that.
By the way, I am TastyHamGames.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:58 am
@Elmzran- Whatever the reason Sandy want’s the logo changed from the hammer, he wants it changed. I don’t think there is any negotiating on that.
@Sandy- The smiley is the main problem in the logo for me, it puts off the wrong message. I remember either you or Zak saying something like “If you looked past the smiley and found the real meaning” something along those lines anyways, half the time people don’t find the “real meaning” in things (We do all judge books by their covers a lot). Just some of my input, i hope Albert Zak agrees to this.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:58 am
@Sandy
I totally understand. There is always going to be those who hate change as a whole but as for me I’m really not against a totally new logo throwing out the hammer the whole imagery even, it is pretty outdated .
My concern is that the new logo is of a very unprofessional quality, which makes me sad because my Gamemaker deserves better. I feel that the new logo has a very bad first impression. It looks unprofessional and unpolished which makes you guys look like you don’t know what your doing making the product feel untrustworthy. It reminds me very much of flash, which the most common use of flash is ads which are almost always untrustworthy these days. Also the Smiley is very unoriginal and very unrelated to what Gamemaker does, it doesn’t need to be totally game related, take firefox for instance, what does fire or foxes have to do with the internet? Nothing! But it works really well. The same should be for Gamemaker.
On another note,
If you want to fix the smiley issue put this code
.wp-smiley
{
margin:0 !important;
float:none !important;
}
somewhere in your style.css file in wp-content > themes > greeny > style.css
The bigger problem is that in the CSS you’ve got this
img {
…
float:left;
…
}
which floats EVERY image on your webpage to the left.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:01 am
Hey sandy, I have been curious about one thing for quite a while:
What do you have against hammers in the gm logo?
I mean I do agree, the last logo didn’t look too good.
You might even say that thing looked flat out hideous but what exactly spoke against simply taking the hammer and evolving it?
It pretty much became the ‘emblem’ for game maker over the years for some people after all and a hammer itself is pretty neutral.
Or was that the reason? Was the hammer too neutral?
Thanks.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:04 am
QUOTE
“Hey sandy, I have been curious about one thing for quite a while:
What do you have against hammers in the gm logo?
I mean I do agree, the last logo didn’t look too good.
You might even say that thing looked flat out hideous but what exactly spoke against simply taking the hammer and evolving it?
It pretty much became the ‘emblem’ for game maker over the years for some people after all and a hammer itself is pretty neutral.
Or was that the reason? Was the hammer too neutral?
Thanks.”
Read my comment, #823. Maybe that will give you an idea.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:08 am
Sandy said he didn’t like the hammer because he was struck in the head with one at a young age.
Well, when I was 13, I got my hand stuck in some machinery – two rotating cogs, in fact – and lost a finger. In light of this, will you choose a different logo?
The answer is, of course, no. Because that would be ridiculous. And the fact of the matter is that it’s even stupider to avoid a particular logo because of YOUR past misfortune, because it means you’re not even attempting to represent the wishes of the community.
All accusations of you being unprofessional are true, Sandy. Grow up.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:13 am
What the hell, not all hammers are soviet hammers and this one wasn’t even half soviet without a sickle.
Just take the red ball away or re-color it and the last connection to that should be gone too.
Besides, it is possible to design the hammer in a way so it looks different from the soviet one, just throw some perspective in and off you go.
Also the soviets had a sledgehammer.
Was that really the only reason to completely ditch any incarnation of the hammer sandy?
December 1st, 2009 at 1:13 am
“Sandy said he didn’t like the hammer because he was struck in the head with one at a young age.”
Sounds like yet another stupid reason, stupider then the Soviet Union one.
Yes, Sandy. Grow up.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:13 am
Big part of the problem is: the “yellow smiley” concept had been used so much already & is quite associated with other programs like Messenger etc.
One suggestion I have that might work to lend the new Logo a bit more GM/YoYo connection is that the *color scheme of it be replaced with the YoYo greens* (make the smiley light green – inside mouth medium green & white & thick dark green outlines) – this would make it look:
1. less like the typical [i]yellow[/i] smiley[/b] &…
2. more YoYo-ish & in sync with the site.
I think that would help quite a bit – assuming the components are now set.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:16 am
Does anyone know Sandy’s E-Mail? I can’t seem to find it, and I want to nicely ask him about the Soviet Union idea.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:26 am
“I just hate it…someone hit me on the head with one when I was 16…is that enough ?? …I just don’t like it..now…if you REALLY want to move on, this is a (slim) lifeline I don’t care too much about giving ….” – Thats kinda mean and selfish if you ask me… in 4 hours and 30 min (in east coast usa) Santa will be watching =P
December 1st, 2009 at 1:30 am
@SANDY – Are you only opposed to hammers, or would some other building device be alright? A wrench would fill the place of the hammer quite nicely, still represents the concept of building, and is a step away from the hammer. Although I think I’ve seen a logo that was a wrench inside a gear, so perhaps it’s already taken.
I am not absolutely opposed to the smiley gear. Though there are a couple things I think would improve it drastically.
First – tone it down. Having over 50% of the face’s surface area being an open smiling mouth makes it overly expressive and “childish” as so many people want to complain. The beady little eyes don’t help. It should be happy, and expressive, but not as extreme as it is now.
B – Simplify it. The Heavy use of gradients, several colors, and somewhat small features add to what is – at least compositionally – a poor logo. Try a version that is “vectorized”, that is, simple shapes with little shadowing/gradient.
I think with those alteration it would take some of the shock factor out of the logo because currently it stands out as, not an astheticly pleasing design, but rather an in-your-face, loud, and boisterous one.
I hope no-one takes this as an attack on Albert or his design. This is my artist-to-artist commentary. The basic design is good, it’s the details that need some work. If you are willing to consider reasonable request Sandy, consider some of these, I think they would help.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:30 am
or if you go by yoyogames clock he is O_O
December 1st, 2009 at 1:34 am
^ agreed with T-Bird wrench would be a good EVOLUTION of a hammer over a smile which seems more of a Revolution
December 1st, 2009 at 1:37 am
834ish posts later…
It’s not that the logo is bad rather than mostly irrelevant. Anyways, I don’t think the community is ready to move beyond the ball and hammer (what has representing Game Maker for several years) as it has been engraved into our minds as a symbol of what we trust and enjoy.
I’m not saying that we should go back to the old logo but just take a step back and go to a modernized ball and hammer logo with a glossy, glassy, shiny, ball and a gleaming textured hammer. Showing that game maker has improved but is still the product we’ve enjoyed these many years.
Anyone in favor? Say “I”
December 1st, 2009 at 1:39 am
If they change it to a wrench instead of a hammer, it would be both an evolution and have the potential for a revolution (get it? Wrench, revolve… anybody?)
December 1st, 2009 at 1:41 am
I. It should be just be modernized, not thrown it.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:52 am
Sandy, you should just make the logo a bit more serious or else many people will not take game maker seriously. (BTY I’m learning c++ but i will probably still use GM)
December 1st, 2009 at 1:54 am
I!!! Modernize the ball in hammer! Make it black instead of red that’d be killer XD
December 1st, 2009 at 1:54 am
@CloudVIIX LOL BLACK IS THE NEW RED!
December 1st, 2009 at 2:03 am
Andre M.: No black is the new black
and Red is the new Red 
I’m not sure how that makes sense but whatever….
December 1st, 2009 at 2:05 am
20 is the new 30…
December 1st, 2009 at 3:07 am
Are you seriouse, someone hit you with a hammer? well what if you were hit with a big smiley face with a gear around it then are you going to get rid of it too? that dosnt really make sense. Anyways if you look up there are many alters of the logo witht he game makers hammer and I saw a chess board and many others just get one and ask the person if you can use it then maybe if he dosnt do it free give them a little money.
December 1st, 2009 at 3:08 am
I made a more eurofriendly banner/logo
December 1st, 2009 at 3:09 am
Crap, didn’t post
http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/witeboian/?action=view¤t=gmlogo.jpg
December 1st, 2009 at 3:29 am
And one for people scared of hammers
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff168/witeboian/GM8_cl_Text.jpg
December 1st, 2009 at 4:24 am
#
Albert Zak
November 16th, 2009 at 14:35
Reply | Quote | #10
The 2nd one (cog w/ smiley) is my finalist entry. I don’t really like any of them (yea, mine included :b), mostly by the reasons already stated. Would have loved an 2010ified version of the hammer…
Note that the logos in the post above are probably not going to show up anywhere in this form, since the finalists were asked to provide several versions of their designs (without text, 32×32 and 16×16). If you’re interested, here are the icon variants of mine: http://twitpic.com/pqyzr (they aren’t _that_ bad, are they?
)
By the way, I’m just a random 15yr old (have a heart hehe) who decided to enter and started throwing something together using the Illustrator demo for like two or three _days_ before the deadline.
Thanks everyone who voted. (hopefully this poll won’t influence yoyo’s decision too much :b)
thats what the creator of the logo said.
December 1st, 2009 at 4:25 am
@sandy: you are making a very wise decision and are really just an awesome person this restores my faith in YoYo
however you unprofessionalism makes me wonder if some hacked your account? but if not than I really like it that even the staff behind game maker are a bunch uptight microsoft or apple pricks
I really do think you need to leave your thoughts of hating the red ball & hammer in the past in the future now where people are learning to put things in the past I mean that hammer may signify the communist union but it also signifies to me the destruction of the communistic berlin wall and the fall of the soviet union
December 1st, 2009 at 4:33 am
@sandy: also the only way to get over bad memories are to work through them. look at post traumatic war veterans the best way to heal them mentally is too talk to them discuss it out let them tell you how they killed 50 japs with their bayonet and 5 other buddies in nam. so sandy tell us your story! tell the world what happened with you and the hammer!
December 1st, 2009 at 4:48 am
“On January 26, 2007, Mark Overmars announced that he would be working with a company in the UK named YoYo Games.[1] The company, headed by CEO Sandy Duncan (ex Vice President of Xbox Europe),[2] was founded to support the future development of Game Maker, and to develop a community for developers and casual gamers.” [Wikipedia]
Sandy I would have expected more from the Ex, Vice President of Xbox Europe. Please don’t kill the hammer because of personal dislikes.
December 1st, 2009 at 4:50 am
@Sandy
I think the support you’re throwing towards Albert is admirable, and I’m thrilled that you haven’t let the mob mentality sway your decision.
At this point, it would have been easy to pay Albert his $250, send him on his way and soothe the masses. But, that wouldn’t have been the right thing to do.
You created a logo, set down the constraints, picked the winner, and are sticking by your word, Albert, and the logo he created.
The fact that none of these heartless slops considered the cost of reneging, from an integrity point of view, speaks volumes about them.
You, staying the course, speaks volumes about you.
For what it’s worth, for this reason alone, I’m in support of Albert’s logo and your decision.
December 1st, 2009 at 4:51 am
[http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/biz2/0707/gallery.web_world.biz2/16.html] some more info on yoyogames in general and it’s CEO Sandy Duncan.
December 1st, 2009 at 4:54 am
@NakedPaulToast
“The fact that none of these heartless slops considered the cost of reneging, from an integrity point of view, speaks volumes about them.” Hey, don’t start calling us names just because we don’t like the logo.
@ everybody else
P.S. Please don’t feed the trolls
December 1st, 2009 at 4:55 am
Need edit button!
What I meant to say is don’t start judging peoples character just because they are complaining about the choice of logo.
December 1st, 2009 at 4:57 am
*sigh*…
December 1st, 2009 at 4:59 am
Wait I think we seem to be confused as to what exactly sandy is allowing. Were gonna need a little more insight as to how far is too much when evolving this logo. Also at nakedpaultoast this is a fantasy world with smiley faces and everybody cares for one another. It’s planet earth. Hello! anybody there? or is our world changing to a fantasy? look the smileys are already here. Whats next one world government and peace on earth?
December 1st, 2009 at 5:00 am
Over 850 posts!!!
December 1st, 2009 at 5:01 am
And also to add it was kind of reneging based on the fact that the logo was chosen without keeping the community opinions in mind. This was just as distworthy.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:02 am
Too bad NCIS only investigates it when there is a dead marine…(you’re gonna have to figure that out, if you cannot then, go with the smiley!)
December 1st, 2009 at 5:03 am
[...] I’m really disappointed with the new Game Maker 8 logo. [...]
December 1st, 2009 at 5:03 am
ALBERT was not counting his chickens.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:03 am
Don’t like the logo either, but I found one upside. The pirates will hate the logo too, that they wouldn’t even wanna try to crack the software. Yeah, but if they come out with the installed, I might as well extract all the contents, modify all the logo’s and make a custom installer with the original logo.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:03 am
But he is now…
December 1st, 2009 at 5:05 am
No but they will sure love to throw their virus programs in there and upload it as a torrent.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:06 am
It would be funny if they made a virus to show the smiley doing crack(srry i couldn’t resist!)
December 1st, 2009 at 5:07 am
or a redball beating the smiley to death with a hammer
December 1st, 2009 at 5:08 am
someone should definately make that image i called that shit
December 1st, 2009 at 5:08 am
I already had enough trouble getting people to take me seriously as a programmer when I said that my software development tool also supported drag and drop.
If YoYo Games gets any more silly about this; (new-b infested site, and an emoticon on high for a new logo); it will be nearly impossible to appear professional.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:08 am
@everyone complaining
For Pete’s sake! Will everyone complaining grow up! A petition will not work, complaining will not work. It is just a picture! If you do not like it, change the icon when you get it. It is not the end of the world and this just shows how self centered you are. You do not like something b*tch about it, that is all I have been seeing on, (yes I do check the new Glog ever other day or so for a bout a week or two), give it a rest. It has been done, if you do not like it, then change the icon, or do not buy GM8/GM4Mac and just shut up already.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:10 am
@everyone: I personally think that most of you are being very rude to sandy… I also wonder how Albert Zak feels. I think all of you need to be more considerate with your comments.
@albert zak: Your logo is very nice looking. people are just upset because it because they don’t feel like it fits Game Maker.
@sandy: We are not afraid of change. However I got to be honest. This logo dose not fit Game Maker and sends the wrong message out to people… On the other hand I can be completely wrong and it could end up bringing more people to try Game Maker or it could do the opposite and scare off people. There is over 800 comments and 95% say they hate the logo unfortunately and thats a problem. I wish you luck. Sorry you have to put up with all this.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:11 am
Yah know what why don’t you go join sandy in at the Neverland Ranch and play hide and seek where noone has ever heard of no such thing as communism. Honestly what do you want people to do riot and make personal and threatening attacks on sandy? A petition is about the best we can do as well as creating a very good argument which have seem to have done. You are just ignorant.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:14 am
@ wyldfox
The image is easy to change, but it might tarnish game makers credibility as well as that of those who use it.
This isn’t about changing the logo just because we don’t like it. This is about keeping GM from looking like it is meant for making pre-fab point and click games in less then 10 min!
December 1st, 2009 at 5:18 am
Also all you ignorant people that think we are just whining are wrong. If you havent taken the time to read a couple of posts and not just the first one then you would understand the legitimate concerns. We all know your doing just as your momy would want you to do and protect the kid being bullied but at least have a general understanding before posting your bullshit.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:20 am
Do you think large gaming companies such as “Bethhesda Softworks” would have used C++ to write their games if C++ had an amateurish logo?
No! The companies would still be doing all the work, but would be mistaken for using an overly simplified, pre-made coding language that needs little experiance. It would make them appear lazy, amateurish, or silly! At least in my opinion.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:22 am
@ Robert B Colton
“Also all you ignorant people that think we are just whining are wrong. If you havent taken the time to read a couple of posts and not just the first one then you would understand the legitimate concerns. We all know your doing just as your momy would want you to do and protect the kid being bullied but at least have a general understanding before posting your bullshit.” [Robert B Colton]
I believe the saying is “Word Up!”, correct me if I’m wrong.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:27 am
There is nothing wrong with the logo in itself, but using it as game makers mascot would, in my opinion, make Game Maker look both immature, and Amateur.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:51 am
Twitter brings the truth:
“@ZanderDuYoYo It’s not that I dislike that logo was changed, it’s that I think what was chosen to be the new logo was an awful choice for GM”
Sandy’s reply:
“@wademcgillis em bad choice for GM + Ok for YoYo Games …who pay the bills ??”
He even seems surprised people would expect him to do what is good for GM.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:11 am
@853 NakedPaulToast: Amen!
December 1st, 2009 at 6:16 am
Oh come on guys! This is obviously a joke. Just read sandy’s posts, here, I will put a few:
“@bzdbbb Where did you go to school ??? Grammer ?? , Havn’t ??? What’s that ?
Did you learn that before or after spleling ?”
-This is immature and doesn’t seem like sandy.
“@Creatorr pls don’t tell me I don’t listen, then accuse me of listening OK ?”
-Using chat-speak? Really? I don’t think so.
“@bzdbbb btw..didn’t get angry with you ?????? !!!!!!!! Though that particular post from you lacked finesse !!!!!!!! and resultant sense of humour failure ! Subsequently pointed out by others “in absentia gratis”
Straight A’s in English, French and Psychology !”
-Honestly! This has got to be one of the (pardon the word) n00by-ish posts I have seen in this whole update! And from sandy? I think not.
Basically what I am saying is that this is a joke, either sandy is messing with us or maybe someone hacked their account. This just doesn’t seem realistic. Just look at the icon! It is (sorry to the creator) terribly done! The smiley is a little too small, the pupils of the eyes are a little to big, the words are /simple/ to do! And not capitalized! This is really all a joke, but I signed the petition any way. Hope it helps,
–Jon
December 1st, 2009 at 6:28 am
@NakedPaulToast
So… the captain goes down with the ship? I would have much more respect for Sandy if he was able to admit to making a mistake. Right now, he seems pigheaded, cocky, immature, and inconsiderate. Oh, but I highly doubt he cares for what I think.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:32 am
“Basically what I am saying is that this is a joke, either sandy is messing with us or maybe someone hacked their account.”
Although your hypothesis sounded crazy at first, I actually think you may be right.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:47 am
Johnny, I think you may be on to something. Either that or we’re all crazy.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:51 am
@johnnybeg00d:
@Mush:
I actually think sandy is upset and denies it. Keep in mind guys that sandy is not a super human. Hes an actual person with feelings. He just spent 250 dollars on a logo that he really liked and he is probally very dissapointed that not much people like it. Just because hes an adult and is in control does not mean he does not make mistakes.
The point i’m trying to make is Sandy is no more than a human being that does have feelings. You guys shouldn’t be judging Sandy because you are not in his shoes and you don’t know what hes going through.
Oh and by the way… I’m pretty sure if Sandys account was hacked the hacker would not be willing to pay $250 just for a fake logo……
December 1st, 2009 at 6:51 am
wow…..just wow. im severly disapointed in this entire site.
1:
stop with the noob thing.every single person on this site was a noob at some point to gm.Who gives a damn if some one edits a tort and post it-your abvously smart enough to notice it-so is every one else.we know who realy made them. gm is a program for people to learn some basic programing(or at least get a taste)-to learn to creat a world of their own.
when you where 3 i bet you could build a lego castle with ramparts 2 feet tall a working water all and it would be to scale size-cause you where that talented in the beging? right?
2:
yes the logo sucks in my and many others opinoin but its a little hard to take back the praise and gold medal from an olympic winner.
when i saw it i almost swallowed my own head.I would make 10 accounts to conplain just to emphisie how bad it is(not the work but the concept of what it represents)
3:
symbolizem is powerfull aint it.
THIS SYMBOL will represent all the hours of work put into the program,the history of gm,the games created with it,the company and the people here on yo yo.
If they want this symbol to represent a lot of pissed off people let’m. It hurts them not us,its the same work,same coding,same program.
Im pretty sure everyone will say”you are a/an(noob,childish,idiot )
cause you used a game creater with a smily icon”
who would be so stupid as to say somthing like that-the poeple of this site are obvously aware that this was the gm’s issue so why would the accuse the user of the above.
Either way they are going to regret
their decision probably.
Because of the way this is going.
I hope everyone can get a grip on this befor it slips off the edge(staff and users alike)
December 1st, 2009 at 7:06 am
another thing that pisses me to hell and back
sence when has gm had an age restriction.a COMUNITY is where people grow and work together as a group to achieve a common goal or form a relationship-this site does not meet this standered so the site name ahould change or the people who are on it.(you should help these so called noobs so they aint so no more-then they wont bother you if the even where to begin with)
December 1st, 2009 at 7:10 am
Well… I am really surprised when I saw Sandy’s reactions (arguing with bzzbbz or something like that).
The community ASKS (mostly in polite manner, sometimes in unacceptable) for a change. Not evolution, but revolution. Maybe my english lacks the level needed to understand, but I see things this way.
I still don’t get why Albert’s logo (we asked politely the answer for this).
On this logo, any “evolution” will mean “revolution”. I still think this logo took no more than 2 hours for the creator, so it does not respect the 10 years past of GM.
December 1st, 2009 at 7:13 am
would you banish all the kids 8 and below from your neighborhood
bacuse the try to achieve the same goal as you but dont know how to go
about doing it because your to cold to be a leader.
personly i am ashamed of this site and completely enraged
December 1st, 2009 at 7:17 am
@sandy: yeah that sandys reaction towards bzzbbz was pretty immature. However like I said: I actually think sandy is upset and denies it. Keep in mind guys that sandy is not a super human. Hes an actual person with feelings. He just spent 250 dollars on a logo that he really liked and he is probally very dissapointed that not much people like it. Just because hes an adult and is in control does not mean he does not make mistakes. >>>>>
When I say this I mean: sandy isn’t a perfect being and will do things he will regret later.
December 1st, 2009 at 7:19 am
sorry I meant to say @gpeterz. not @sandy
December 1st, 2009 at 7:20 am
well yea…. sory for that hamer thingi but you must continue living and break somekind a fear(I know you will deny this but fear is natural) well when i was about 6 years old I broke ALMOST ALL MY TETHS ON IT and I AM STILL WASHING MY HANDS IN SINK.
I know hamer hurts more but… well accidents hapen. I know how hard it is but you have to move on. well its all up to you.
p.s. I know my english SUCKS.
December 1st, 2009 at 7:26 am
also instead of b****ing about the logo like a thousand broken records
make a sugestion:
like if the poeple of this site care so much than they can make a donation center togather money to support another winner. $250 is not hard to get from like 500 people who complain so much
if you cant submit the cash then your opinoin is not wanted or even taken into consideration(dont complain if your not wiling to change it)
not to seem like a prick but STRONGLY ERGE MARK AND SANDY TO READ THESE POST
December 1st, 2009 at 7:32 am
@sandy:
please read and consider my last few post
December 1st, 2009 at 7:34 am
So sad, that my logo didn’t won.
Well, i give it to all of you, folks!
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5063/loqualitygm8.jpg
December 1st, 2009 at 7:40 am
@ dummer: Nice logo!
December 1st, 2009 at 7:44 am
@sandy:
i just cant stop…im just realy pissed please send me a private message
my post
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December 1st, 2009 at 7:51 am
@roa: Dude it’s just a logo. yeah i’m gonna have a hec of a time trying to prove I make real games with game maker when double clicking on a cute smilely but that does’nt really matter ( as long as I just show them the exacutable lol! )
December 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am
He’s more than a bird he’s more than a plane. He’s more than some pretty face beside a train. And it’s not easy to bee heee sandddeeee.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:13 am
Also one more thought I called the shit on his News Group account being hacked.
December 1st, 2009 at 8:34 am
This bad decision is going to be costly, MOST people HATE for this logo to represent Game Maker. People are actually not wanting to use Game Maker anymore because of how this logo really degrades the program. This logo is causing bad impacts for the future and popularity of Game Maker.Yoyo games need to think again, and choose a better logo.
December 1st, 2009 at 10:11 am
Sandy’s reply:
“@wademcgillis em bad choice for GM + Ok for YoYo Games …who pay the bills ??”
…your customers? The ones who hate the logo?
December 1st, 2009 at 10:24 am
*groan*
I don’t know why people are so upset about this. No doubt it’s an awful logo, but how does this affect people who are already using Game Maker? To me all it does is shift the market a little… But we’re all still here.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:00 am
@ Sandy
“It’s NOT about money…”
The sensible readers and commenters figured as much.
“Firstly, I want Albert to agree to any changes to HIS logo”
Um… contest rules: “YoYo Games will own the rights to the winning logo, so do not submit any entries of you don’t agree to YoYo Games having complete and absolute ownership of your competition entry.”
“I’m prepared to LISTEN..and even pay out more prize money”
It’s not about the money – not about the contest money that is. We’re seriously afraid that after the initial sales bump the new logo will kill Game Maker – and judging by the reactions thus far, it’s likely. A decrease in popularity, not an invasion of children, is what threatens Game Maker.
“if, AND only IF, we can reach a consensus that Albert’s design is essentially OK”
It’s not a consensus. You’ve said it from the beginning. If it was okay, you’d have gotten a couple of improvement suggestions from actual or aspiring designers. What you see now is hate. And while there are occasions where hate shouldn’t be taken into account, logo design is not one. A logo is supposed to evoke a positive emotional response, something that’s simply not happening. Thus, the logo is bad since it does not fulfill its primary function if not for any other reason.
Game Maker was around for long enough for a stable userbase to form. There’s never going to be a qualitatively new userbase as long as Game Maker does not change functionally, it can only scale.
Reaching out to new markets via rebranding is marketing advice straight out of cheap MLM self-help books. We’re on the Internet, where a day counts for a year. There’s no “new market” for a well-known product. Potential customers are exactly like us actual customers. Whatever we hate, they wouldn’t like either.
@snowleopard’s “Large companies wouldn’t use immature-looking products to develop games”
You’re wrong. They would. They totally would if the product satisfies their demands. They’re professionals, quite UNLIKE Game Maker’s users.
Face it. We’re not professionals. For many of us out there, Game Maker was one of the first programming tools that we chose for its perceived image, not functionality of which we had no way to know due to noobishness. That’s exactly why the logo is so important. It’s THE criterion for new users.
We’re not trolls, we’re not bots, we’re not a 4chan copypasta invasion. A ballot is easy to stuff; here, every poster personally takes some time out of their life to provide honest feedback.
“I don’t like the new logo” is subjective. “We don’t like the new logo” is now a fact. And due to the way the Internet works, “we” represent potential users and buyers most closely. We provide the best marketing information there is. Advice from marketing specialists and graphic designers is prognostic, used to avoid dangerous experiments with the userbase. In no way it overrules actual user feedback once you end up receiving it.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:12 am
@Sandy
I’m glad you replied to this thread. I think it’s clear the logo is here to stay. But as you said you would consider evolutionary changes to the current logo, I have a few suggestions.
1. First of all change the eyes, like Andy has done in reply #789. I’m pretty confident Albert would not really mind that change, and it would make it a lot better I think.
2. Capitalize the letters G and M so that it reads Game Maker rather than game maker.
3. Change the “k” in “maker” by removing the “curve”. It doesn’t really fit with the other letters and I have already seen a few people joking around with “marer”.
I’m starting to get used to the thing, but these are little details that would make the logo a lot better. Please consider (and discuss with Albert).
December 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am
I think it is just unable to be to be the logo of GM, it is just not that style…
ps.: Albert, never give up
December 1st, 2009 at 11:31 am
Apart from the cog, this logo is anything but related to Game Maker in my eyes.
Very sad to see this is the effect of YoYoGames on the community.
Game Maker is much, much more than just an educational tool, and as far as I’m concerned it deserves more credit than this.
PS: No offense to the creator, really. The logo isn’t bad at all, it just doesn’t quite fit GM as I see it.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pm
1.jpg – shows that Game Maker is truly lite for beginners, easy to
learn and allows them to fly along with the balloon logo. But it is
also versatile and complex at the same time if you are pro.
2.jpg – logo assembling illustrates the internal process of building
games using blocks (GM built-in functions).
3.jpg – modern version of classic “ball and hammer” logo.
4.jpg – the same as 3.bmp, but with YoYo Games style “Game Maker” inscription.
Sorry for my bad English. I’m from Kazakhstan.
December 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Now, I do think that GM could use a new logo, and I think this one looks okay.
For a games player. For a developer tool it looks too childly. If game maker had this logo when I found it on the internet, I probably wouldn’t have downloaded it since I’d expect it to be some kind of simple level making tool targeted towards children aged 9 to 14.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
- Written on the GameMaker Blog
Business shouldn’t be personal. The Logo decision on Yoyogames is on it’s way to becoming infamously known among the Game Maker Community(now written as the costumers), and in a business related sense, this is not a good thing. When the costumers does not like a product, or the product does not sell as expected, that’s only when a company should consider change.
Now, I know little of Yoyogames and Game Makers financial past, or of it’s planned future, but all companies has got a plan. We can deduce from the current Logo change, that Game Maker has been selling poorly, and if this is the case, it would seem right to try to change the target audience, and let the existing costumers go, or at best, keep the existing costumers.
Now if I went on to make a game, release it on Yoyogames, and not take comments and feedback into consideration, I wouldn’t become much of an insightful game designer, and my players would not come back to check out my eventually improved game. It is good to know that the leader of Yoyogames are now taking suggestions. There has been some extremely negative response from some of the current costumer base, and it would be a pity to lose this section of costumers.
Yoyogames are not interested in losing or fighting their costumers for this change, they are interested in better knowing their costumers, and having a real dialouge between the costumers like this, is the best opportunity a company could ever ask for.
I hope that the leaders of Yoyogames and Game Maker reasons further with the userbase/costumers, the current Community, and make them understand which direction the company is taking, and what’s stored in the future. Once the costumers understands what is going on, and where the company is heading with this new logo change, they will stay and supports the changes being made.
~ Rofl
December 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
*facepalm*
That logo just fails..
Nothing personal to the designer of it, and I think it’s pretty well done but for a program like Game Maker it just doesn’t fit.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Interesting to say the least.
That logo may be hard to swallow, but it doesn’t change a thing in Game Maker’s performance. Knowing that I don’t really care what the logo is, as long as I could still continue my hobby.
We should congratulate Albert on the win.
December 1st, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Dito
December 1st, 2009 at 2:20 pm
There’s an easier way to protest this, actually, than saying ‘I won’t buy game maker 8′. Yoyogames is making add revenue from visitors coming to play the games people put for free on their websites. Just stop putting your free games there. Turn that smiley into a frown
December 1st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
@Lurk I might have better things to do than piss off a smiley. >:( (that one is pissed)
@Sandy I got GM because my friend told me about it, IF it had this logo I would have been confused.
December 1st, 2009 at 3:58 pm
don’t tell me you chose THAT *thing* !
This a typical noobish picture , which doesn’t fit with our old , good and professional gm !
Won’t GM 8 look ridiculous with that logo in the PRO edition ?
I know there’s a real noob invasion on each forum , but please , save our gm from the noob wave , and keep the old logo , or choose the CD logo , which is great !
December 1st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I agree, like I said this logo really degrades Game Maker. The logo will make people think Game Maker makes noobish games, but Game Maker is so MUCH more capable than that, therefore we need a different logo to express that, not a smiley face that makes Game Maker seem like a childish program.
December 1st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
[...] Maker 8 Logo. Keep in mind that it’s very difficult to read every single of comments below this news and reading more and more questions about the same thing isn’t nice activity. That’s [...]
December 1st, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Whoops, wordpress.com sent a trackback to this site! (it’s probably because I put link in my post)
Well, I decided to make a base of all the questions, because if Sandy will have all of them in one place, it’ll be easier to answer each one.
So if you have a question to Sandy, please write it in the comment below this post:
http://dillprod.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/gm8-logo-faq/
If you post some of them, I’ll send Private Message to Sandy with link to this page so as to make answering easier.
Yes, I also don’t like new logo. That’s why I want to gather all the questions and arguments – it’ll make seeing all of them by Sandy much more probable.
And if you have something revealing to say, please write it on my site, not here. I hope Sandy will notice existence of this site and see all the questions and reasons why this image shouldn’t be GM8 logo. If you don’t have something revealing to say, don’t say anything. This FAQ, like every FAQ, needs questions to work. If my post won’t be one of the last ones, it’s much more likely that it’ll remain unnoticed and there will be less questions.
(err, right, at the beginning my blog was supposed to be my homepage, but since I haven’t done anything with it, I decided to make there temporary GM8 Logo FAQ)
I hope this FAQ will ease communication between users and Sandy. ^^
December 1st, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Okay, I’ve heard every excuse.
1. Getting hit with a hammer is no reason to change the logo.
2. Saying the old GM logo might represent communism is like saying, well, MARIO might represent communism because he wears red.
3. If you are making these excuses because you realize you’re in a bad position and are desperately trying to rationalize your choice away, that’s a Sunk Cost Fallacy. If not, well… disregard this point.
4. Is this evolution? This isn’t “good” evolution. Not all change is good. This is like human “evolved” into a harlequin baby… except not as lethal.
Seriously, man, I wouldn’t be surprised if I managed to find a page bashing you on Encyclopedia Dramatica some day. Think about your actions.
Just come clean and pick something better. Until then, I (and a whole lot of people here, probably) have no respect for your childish rationalizations for picking this logo.
December 1st, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Agreed!
December 1st, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Follow this on twitter: http://twitter.com/gm8_logo_fails
December 1st, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Okay, I’ve had enough.
It feels like GameMaker is managed by only one person now – and that person is stupid, stupid, stupid. That might be offensive but it’s how I perceive it. I haven’t seen such a lack of professionalism, such stubbornness in a situation where the future of a company is at stake. Sandy sounds terribly immature and is the only person we get to talk to. I lost all faith in GameMaker and Yoyogames. This whole logo thing is absurd. It’s just plain absurd.
The choice of that logo was unprofessional. The customer feedback is unprofessional. Your attitude, Sandy, is unprofessional.
GameMaker doesn’t seem like a trustworthy company anymore. I am not looking forward to GM8; for all I know, it’s probably going to install spyware on my PC. I am going to stick with GM7 and I’ll remove every trace of GameMaker in my games. No logo, no mention of it, no nothing – I don’t want my games to be linked with… that grinning abomination up there.
I encourage everyone else in here who care about their own credibility to do the same thing.
December 1st, 2009 at 7:36 pm
@ Orteil
“No logo, no mention of it, no nothing – I don’t want my games to be linked with… that grinning abomination up there.
I encourage everyone else in here who care about their own credibility to do the same thing.”
I have slowly started doing this since people started uploading litterally hundreds of crap-ware files to yoyo games every day. A game using 4 ripped off sprites bouncing around a room is not a game! I don’t want to be associated with that kind of thing either. Nobody on yoyo games even cleans up all of these files. Perfect Example: (I once tried a game that claimed it was a great sonic remake. It was a ripped off background and a picture of tails. You then had to fly straight right, the only direction key if I remember correctly; which restarted the room so you could do it again. Now, think of how many of these are submitted every day! dozens, if not hundreds!)
December 1st, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I have tried to be neutral in my disagreements thus far; but this…. this is just getting silly!
December 1st, 2009 at 7:45 pm
“Isn’t connecting a old hammer logo with Soviet Union going too far? Very most of users never would’ve such idea!”
Thats just silly! and sandy says he dislikes the hammer only because of being hit on the head with one? I have read that Sandy Duncan used to be the Vice President of Xbox Europe. Sandy why are you being so unprofessional about this? For goodness sake, you lashed back at a poster who had insulted you with yet another insult. Im not saying you should be uptight, but please; people are starting to think of you badly for stuff like this.
December 1st, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Can we talk to Proffessor M. Overmars about this? =^-^=
We need more opinions from important Game Maker/Yoyo Games Staff.
December 1st, 2009 at 7:51 pm
pretty good…for those of u who dont like it just change the logo on your desktop no need to act like a cracker
December 1st, 2009 at 8:13 pm
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1628/logovs.png
Just trying out how lime green would work with the hammer logo. Surely there were tons of entries based on this idea, why not pick one of those? It’s simple, clean and doesn’t mess up the professional image of Game Maker. It would be cool to see someone with actual talent recreate this. With a shiny hammer and all.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Many posted here their logo ideas… well, they better kept those themselves.
Anyway, I still did not get any relevant answers for my questions. No problems though.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Here’s a quote from an interview with Albert Himself:
INTERVIEWER: “What was your inspiration for the design?
ALBERT: “I mostly worked by the one rule Sandy posted, “to fit better with the YYG branding”. Incidentally, most inspiration came from YoYo Games itself. Looking at their logo and at this page clearly set the art direction. Much criticism was made against the “hideous” mouth, which (as a few pointed out) took maybe a bit too much inspiration from Yahoo IM.”
As you can see, even albert agrees that the face is a bit much (Like IM’s).
Apparently…
INTERVIEWER: “Did you feel confident once you saw the other finalists you were up against?”
ALBERT: “Totally. I’m generally a pretty confident person (some may refer to this as cocky)”
Interview can be found here:
http://gamemakerblog.com/2009/11/28/interview-with-game-maker-8-logo-creator/
December 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Someone make an uncyclopedia article on sandy. The Former Vice President of Asshole Europe. Seriously Mark Overmars lives in the Netherlands and he isn’t bitching about communism. Maybe he is communist?
December 1st, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Think about it….
December 1st, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Not even FredFredrickson likes the new logo!
December 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Keep that mouth closed you stupid smiley!
December 1st, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Wait, wait, just wait…
You’re saying that the one who in comment nr 134 said, I quote:
“OMG I think I will go to bed (soon) having nightmares of a logo with a hammer in it !! Em last time I saw a logo with a hammer it was the Soviet Union or…was it Game Maker… ?? Maybe I’m not up to date with the 1960’s ??”
is actually Sandy? I read through these comments, thinking that it was an impostor, creating a user with the name “sandy” (w.o. capital) and making fun of people…
That’s actually the CEO of Game Maker? Well, that might not be the way I would respond to such a case of volatile revolution from the community. Maybe Jim Pedie should make a official comment (the PR guy) or something…
Also being quiet between comment 150-750, until I say something that apparently upset him? Well, It’s great you’re back (once in a while at least) but it seems like you ignored several long posts (mine included (nr 601)) where people of the community listed, sophisticated, reasons why they think that the Smiley Logo is not the right progression for GameMaker, made polished with strong arguments (and in several cases titles) for looking official. To me it seems that you are mocking them (or disrespecting them) by later posting rather unofficial comments, joking and not bothering to even argue for your view.
We’ve had over 900 comments! We have not had a single newspost or headline that might have made your few replies possible to find in the masses.
In my opinion, this is not right!
You should be the one who could give us guidance. We need guidance. Please guide us.
Also, I think my comment here has more characters than ALL of your comments on this post together. That does not seem to fit.
Lastly, have you made a new unofficial competition in comment nr 754 (or something). It is not clear at all???
Post Script, I’m sorry for anything in this post being insulting. It is not meant to, and my deepest and sincerest apologies if this upsets you.
Post Post Script; if you made an official announcement, those like Illary might find out that we are keeping the smiley and cog and the hammer is out (arguments for this might be nice too), and start focusing on the matter at hand…
Or something… Sincerest, and apologies, Benjamin H. Mathiesen
December 1st, 2009 at 10:45 pm
too true, mabye http://twitter.com/gm8_logo_fails can sort out some problems
December 1st, 2009 at 10:59 pm
This entire debate is surreal. I actually think this whole debate is a prank, but here is my reasoning for why the current design will not hold water.
The creator of the winning design, according to post #849, said this:
“By the way, I’m just a random 15yr old (have a heart hehe) who decided to enter and started throwing something together using the Illustrator demo for like two or three _days_ before the deadline.”
This is the CREATOR saying this. He doesn’t defend it as great; he doesn’t claim it should win. His only defense is “have a heart hehe”. Therefore, it would be pure folly to use this logo without touching it up and making it professional. I can’t imagine any company really affixing their name to this. I actually think this is an elaborate joke, cruel though it may be. At least, I hope so…
I’m sure he’s flattered that his design won, but I also don’t think he’d be too terribly crushed if it didn’t. Especially since he already has the prize money.
Some people here seem to think that we dissenters are after the money ourselves. What? No! I didn’t even enter the contest! All that I want is for Game Maker to keep its image as a powerful, trustworthy tool for creating games.
If you want a new, sleek update of the old theme, why wouldn’t this one(http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg), which was previously suggested, do the trick? It’s very professional looking, but cool, too, if that’s important to you.
If you want to change from the hammer, fine. I’m not terribly attached to it. I like what it represents, however: Creation, work, and creativity. If you’re going to come up with an all-new logo, it needs to represent those things.
Albert Zak had a good idea with the gear theme; I’d be fine with that. I will give him a thumbs up for that. But the smiley is awful; I can’t say anything more about it than has already been said, but believe me, I agree with it all. I’m sorry, Albert. But even you yourself admitted it was “thrown together”. I don’t feel bad suggesting that it should be replaced (or at the very least, improved) before being SOLD ON A PRODUCT.
But really, this must be a prank.
If it’s not a joke, this is a terrible mistake. And if Sandy truly wrote those earlier posts bearing his name…well, I don’t expect YoYo Games or Game Maker to survive for much longer with a business leader that is so immature, sarcastic, grammatically challenged, and unbelievably callous to his customer’s desires. I’m pretty sure I’m not insulting Sandy, because I’m pretty sure he was writing those ridiculous things on purpose. Seriously? Soviet Russia? Childhood trauma leading to an aversion to hammers? Those are the lamest excuses I have ever heard, and that is why I am fairly certain this is a joke. If I were Sandy, I’d be laughing as I wrote those posts.
So that’s my theory – when even the creator of the design puts no faith in it, there is no reason for Sandy to be lauding it so stubbornly. I bet they just chose one of their less appealing finalists, claimed it was the new logo, and decided to sit back and watch the fun. If not…well, I’ll have to reevaluate how much I respect Game Maker.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:11 pm
@Markishness
I do so very much hope you are right.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:13 pm
@Engine
He was quiet then because it was the weekend. I doubt he brings work home with him.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Shouldn’t the company’s branding be decided by the entire board of directors of YoYo Games and stakeholders instead of (what it sounds like) just Sandy and Mark (who I believe hasn’t made one post on the matter)? About how many people have a financial interest in YoYo? The majority agreed to this? The overwhelming complaints about the new logo should outweigh any possible “cost of reneging, from an integrity point of view”. Please listen to the people, Sandy, not to your memories of the Soviet Union and being whacked on the head with a hammer…. What would be nice is to let Albert have his cash, change the logo (which even Albert has admitted to not liking very much) to an evolution of the old one for brand recognition and a more professional image, Albert post saying he supports whatever might come about, and YoYo contracting a professional design company for the logo.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:38 pm
To put things in perspective, Imported into Open Office Writer all of these comments take up 155 pages and measure 61,860 words, 351,202 characters!!!!
Sandy, people are taking a lot of their time monitoring, reading, and replying to this forum. Please listen.
December 1st, 2009 at 11:41 pm
P.S. I just wrote a long post and clicked submit and it did not show up. I then clicked back and pressed submit again, this time I got an error saying the exact comment was already submitted.
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 am
I knew it there all communists and sandy is dictator of YoYoGames. He doesn’t want his fantasy communism related to evil dark smelly Russian communism. No but seriously I think possibly this so called creator hacked sandys account to make it look like he won or a prank in general by some random hacker. Has this creator even recieved his money or heard anything from the official yoyostaff? Maybe mark is mad at sandy and snuck his office to fuck up his shit. Notice now sandy is not posting again as well.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 am
Try to keep it clean Robert. Who knows who’s reading this.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 am
@Markishness
Probably the best post in this entire comments section. Good job.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 am
Keep it clean (:
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 am
One more thing. I saw the interview that was conducted with the winner, Albert Zak. He said a few funny things. Highlights:
“To tell the truth I got even more confident when I saw my competitors’ creations than I was when there wasn’t much known about them. I’m absolutely not saying they’re bad, but I can clearly understand why YYG didn’t choose them as the final logo.”
I love the generic, cocky statement that he can “clearly understand” why NO ONE ELSE had a logo worth choosing. Congratulations, Albert, you know something I don’t.
“I guess nobody, not even Sandy himself, would have expected so much ranting (let’s say “heated discussion”), but eventually everyone will calm down as they realize there’s just no point in childish complaining. I’m however still kind of puzzled why only 8% picked this as their favorite, but I’m glad Sandy and a few others realized what’s really behind this logo.”
“Childish complaining”? …this from a 15-year-old who has created one of the most “childish” things I have ever seen. And don’t be puzzled, Albert. 8% picked it because 92% saw that it wasn’t worth picking.
“Of course I still feel great about having won and having defined part the future of Game Maker.”
That’s what it’s all about, right, Albert? Defining the future of Game Maker, no matter how horrific you might make that definition.
And finally…
“It took less than 2 hours of tutorial-watching to make me believe that I knew enough to create the logo.”
You really and truly did believe that, didn’t you? Well, you were wrong.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 am
This whole thing is fishy with a capital F.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 am
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/1/11/28/f_16ka4cq0p7jm_e685207.png
This should be the new logo. :O
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:15 am
Is it April already?
Anyway I fixed the Logo. with a simple pie chart.
http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/1/12/1/f_kyvu0oxcw5m_519cac5.png
Btw. the “k” is an accident, but I left it in like that, because now my “Special K” replaces Albert’s.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:22 am
Sandy grow up and stop being so selfish with these childish reasons to ditch the hammer. I talked with a bunch of my classmates I they ALL said your trauma and soviet reference was a horrible reason to get rid of the hammer. Listen to us we are the people who make up your community and all you care about is yourself. I’m sure Mark is completely fine a hammer.
GROW UP SANDY
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:26 am
pshhh i think this should be the logo instead
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3932/gmlogos.png
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:29 am
“I guess nobody, not even Sandy himself, would have expected so much ranting (let’s say “heated discussion”), but eventually everyone will calm down as they realize there’s just no point in childish complaining. I’m however still kind of puzzled why only 8% picked this as their favorite, but I’m glad Sandy and a few others realized what’s really behind this logo.”
Okay, the amount of illogical stupidity in this topic has reached critical levels. The haters have some VALID reasons why this shouldn’t be the logo. To this point, the only thing defending it are the minority that do confess liking it (they have a right to their own opinions, I have no problem with that), anyone who hasn’t spoken who likes it (which cannot be logically reasoned to be “everyone”), Sandy’s failing excuses (which makes me wonder if he’s lost it or some idiot is pretending to be him), and Albert’s bigoted, cocky response.
CONCLUSION: It is not unreasonable to either VASTLY IMPROVE the current logo or SCRAP it, replacing it with something that actually represents what Game Maker is actually about.
A better logo would be one that looks professional and looks suitable for all ages, not just children.
Also, “Sandy”. If you’re not who you imply you are, get lost. Although, looking back through the glog, I’ve seen similar writing style (including grammar mistakes) and bad logic, such as detracting from Greg24′s argument simply because he didn’t have a featured game (Ad Hominem, even if he is an idiot and was horribly wrong 99% of the time).
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:31 am
http://www.yoyogames.com/games/show/105318
Sorry, yoyogames. I couldn’t resist.
Mark’s FPS example with a MUCH more frightening enemy. xP
No offense to the maker of the logo, it’s nice, but I just hate how it one over all those better, more related-to-game-maker logos!
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:05 am
Woah, that was horrible. should be rated N for Nobody. *g*
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:22 am
No Offence A.Z., but your logo looks like a maniacally laughing emoticon-mine on LSD/Crack/or both
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:26 am
‘-_- For some reason I feel like it wants to eat me.
“http://img40.imagefra.me/img/img40/1/11/28/f_16ka4cq0p7jm_e685207.png” original included.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 am
and by that I mean the modified one and the original look like that.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:05 am
sandy:”…I am listening…”
I you have listened, and now you should post really soon because here are strong arguments in the few last long posts(954,948,941,938,936,920,910)
How come you have ignored every one of those(yes, theres 7 very nice and mature posts in ~50 posts, which already destroys your conclusion that this blog is full of whining children whose logos didn’t win) This silence starts to be annoying, you have only said that there wont be change but then you said that it is most probably going to be send to some artist who could make the logo better. You also sid that you HAVE to ask Zak first, but why should you? You have just bought all the rights for this logo for 250$???
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 am
I know this is a bit immature, but I needed to express my frustrations in a creative way.
If your listening Sandy, this song is for you….
OHHHHHH
You’d better watch out
you’d better not cry
you’d better not pout i’m telling you why
Sandy Duncans coming to town
He’s too stubborn to change the logo
He doesn’t care what you say
His excuses are un-professional, in a major way
Oh,
You’d better watch out
sandy please don’t cry
but we all dislike the logo made by this Albert Zak Guy
And we are going to give this logo, a frown
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 am
Merry Christmas Season!
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:51 am
@ snowleopard
LOL doesn’t fit exactly but still funny. may I continue it?
You’d better watch out
you’d better not cry
you’d better not pout I’m telling you why
Sandy Duncans coming to town
He doesn’t read the comments,
He doesn’t listen to what we say,
He Thinks we are all mad boys and girls,
Because we don’t have our way.
Oh
Sandy please listen,
And read this twice,
Most may be naughty,
but some of us are nice.
All we want is for you to listen,
All we want is for you to listen,
All we want is for you to reply
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:55 am
I think the worst part is that Sandy knows we are right. He hasn’t been on recently, which to me points out that he has nothing valid to say.
Sandy, if you are reading this, please understand one thing. I don’t hate you. I think this has been a dumb decision, and I think the logo should be recalled, but you only make it worse with pathetic excuses and childish banter.
But, please don’t get caught up in your pride. I would think very highly of you should you decide to change the logo from this smiley. We would all get over this whole debacle and it would be history. We’re mad at you now, but correcting the mistake would smooth everything over.
Right now, we’re all losing every bit of respect for you we had. It would be earned back just like that if you bite down and change the logo.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:58 am
Oh some of these posts are frightful
And the smile aint so delightful.
Many of us already know:
Bad logo
Bad logo
Bad logo
Sorry, I couldn’t help but join in.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:07 am
@ Toad72
We wish to get rid of the smile
We wish to get rid of the smile
We wish to get rid of the smile
and the creeeeepy eyes!
Sandy plese re-con-si-der
your de-e-si-sion
we all want this logo gone now
before some-one has a cow!
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:11 am
Tis the season to be jolly
fa la la la la, la la la la la
To choose this logo was com-plete folly
fa la la la la, la la la la la
Please just listen to our comments
fa la la, la la la, la la la
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:13 am
Sandy this is just getting silly
fa la la la la, la la la la la
please answer us before, we, go, crazy
fa la la la la, la la la la la
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:16 am
Oh Logo-go, Oh Logo-go
Oh how you are frightful
Oh Logo-go, Oh Logo-go
Game Maker is delightful
Oh Logo-go, Oh Logo-go
Please don’t ru-in this for us
Your eyes stare cree-pily at me
your mouth gapes wide and unrealisticly
Oh Logo-go, Oh Logo-go
You really are quite frightful
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 am
No offence sandy, just working off some stress before I go crazy and blow up
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:21 am
Oh…. jingle bells,
the logo smells,
Albert, laid a rotten egg.
The sandy mobile lost a wheel
and yoyo took ballet, hey!
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:22 am
Ok, I think I’m done now….
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:24 am
Jingle bells, the logo smells
like a cocaine head
Better a fate for he who dwells
Among a pile of dead
500 options, and this the best one?
Oh! I doubt it’s so, this plagiarized fellow?
How could it be he, the one who is so sick?
It has now become obvious to me that you are thick.
Ohh…
Jingle bells, the logo smells
like a pile of crap
All of us, to whom you sell,
Want it changed ASAP
Ohh…
Jingle bells, the logo smells
and so does your taste
The quarter-grand, that you shelled,
was a complete waste
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:25 am
Ah… darn. You beat me to Jingle bells. Oh well. Mine’s longer
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:26 am
@ Sypran
Bravicimo!
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:29 am
@Mr JAk HAk
Nice, but too many crass comments in my opinion
@Everyone else
I sincerely hope that sandy finds this. I hope he ROFLMAO instead of getting pissed off
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:32 am
P.S. I think we just temporarily killed the flame wars
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 am
Hey!, lets all surround Sandy’s office and sing Christmas carols until he changes the logo! It’s like going on strike!
No, Just kidding really
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 am
Wow, thanks for amusing us for a few moments. Now, where is the real logo?
Honestly if thats the best you got then i say people who contributed are pretty pathetic with graphics. But coz ive seen some, which are pretty good. I assume its just lack of taste.
I think there should have been some sort of vote logo. Then we would have ended up with a much better logo.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:51 am
See there are much beeter ones, as splean pointed out earlier:
{
splean Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
im register just now, and yes, i registered as a last man just to say – its bul%%hit..mm, u know.
see indy.idhost.kz/logo/1.jpg for example…or 2.jpg
YYG, what a hell?
}
See! Now i would say 2.jpg is worth the logo, 1.jpg is awesome too! (just a bit to tall). I think someone lost their taste buds at the age of 8 and thats what they last remember liking. Either that or an 8 year old was asked.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:04 am
randomman159, also you may look at indy.idhost.kz/logo/3.jpg (modernized version of classic) and 4.jpg with YoYoGames style «Game Maker» inscription.
my friend and i think that our logos are good enough to become the community’s choice.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:38 am
Hi Sandy,
For about 4 years now, Gamemaker has been used to provide the front-end to 36-image converter. I think that over the years I bought about 12 licenses for the development team. Only recently I admitted to the world that Gamemaker was actually being used because the image of Gamemaker was improving. At first the entire 36IC was written in Gamemaker but now the gamemaker executable is assisted with Delphi executables to extend the functionality.
I know that this logo isn’t much of an issue to the overall functionality of Gamemaker, but it is to the credibility. The credibility is probably the most important thing that needs to be fixed in Gamemaker. GM is a real and decent programming language, but “Gamemaker” isn’t really something you can put on your CV unless the public image of gamemaker gets a decent improvement. This Logo does not accomplish that and even drags the credibility of Gamemaker down tremendously.
I know you think Logo’s aren’t important, but I’m also a Mac developer and designer and I can tell you that it does. Maybe this is less of an issue on Windows, but on Mac OSX something that doesn’t look good hasn’t got any chance to make it through in the software industry. And as many people have pointed out, the new Logo doesn’t.
You can keep the Logo as it is now, but you must understand that it won’t do any good to the credibility of gamemaker. I think the community is really making some sense and that this isn’t just because the Logo is new, it’s because the logo doesn’t live up to the image that gamemaker should try to establish.
I’m even adding to this that if the Logo remains the same, 36-image converter will be completely build in Delphi in version 5. Not only because it’s a pain to tell people that you build software in a program called gamemaker with a smiley in its logo, but also for various other reasons. But consider this the final hit in the direction of Delphi.
Kind Regards,
Renzo Verleysen
UIC Phoenxsoftware
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I hate kids…
Flush down posts that have a point that is well formulated and thought through with your ‘omg I haet log0′ spam and let them drown in your crap.
You really help a lot in making the community look like it is being composed of nothing but complete idiots/kids/both who are better off ignored.
This is just sad and I hope it gets resolved soon.
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
The logo drama, that is.
The community looking like idiots might be a persistent issue.
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
post 1000 yay! But I hope it does get changed, anyone noticed that it’s no longer on the home page?
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
fuckkaaahh you 1000! im 1 better
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Inniskelly, you should be made eat razor sharp smiley-cogs for for rest of your life to teach you a lesson.
(Sad to see what was a somewhat reasonable discussion destroyed by your spam – I hope someone comes in & cleans out all your posts & bans you.)
On topic: I have a feeling Sandy is going to reverse his decision & opt for a completely new Logo – I`m wondering if it will be put to the Community again or if he`ll just go ahead & get a professional on the job…
(then again I could be wrong).
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Hey Sandy has anyone made a GM game about how GOOD the game is? NO! The people who actually care about what the logo is and how GM will be are the ones who post elaborate posts and make games and other things that take a while.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
@ BenEd\/
“Hey Sandy has anyone made a GM game about how GOOD the game is?” you mean logo, right? This blog desperately needs an edit button.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
var logo, text_2;
text_2 = “what was sandy thinking!?”;
logo = “emoticon?” + text_2 + “this has nothing to do with Game Maker”;
if logo ! = “good”{
instance_destroy(bad_logo);
albert_zak_$ += 350;
// pay a professional to do it
instance_create(new_better_logo);
respect_for_sandy += random(20)+40;
};
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
//Formula to approximate people’s (long time users anyway) respect for yoyo, GM, and it’s staff; written in GML
switch(admit_mistake){
case 1: respect = (100-(random(20)+10)); break;
case 0: respect = 100-(60+random(20)); break;
if sandy_gets_proff_overmars_to_speak = 1 respect += 24
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
i’ve created a facebook group , to ban this logo
type “game maker” in the facebook search engine and join “damn the new game maker logo”
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
snowleopard it’s
with (bad_logo) instance_destroy();
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
@hegemege
oops!
if new_logo = “gets replaced” snowleopard = “=^-^=” + “happy kitty”
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
@hegemege
This is what the help file says.
“As indicated before, it is possible to read and change the value of variables in other instances. But in a number of cases you want to do a lot more with other instances. For example, imagine that you want to move all balls 8 pixels down. You might think that this is achieved by the following piece of code
ball.y = ball.y + 8;
But this is not correct. The right side of the assignment gets the value of the y-coordinate of the first ball and adds 8 to it. Next this new value is set as y-coordinate of all balls. So the result is that all balls get the same y-coordinate. The statement
”
There is only 1 “bad_logo” so the code would still work.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:31 pm
@1003…1008: just to give you some advice: GML is suited for programming games, but not really useful for arguing over GM logos, English is a much better choice of language for this purpose. So let’s please just use English, ok?
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Edit: oh great, someone removed some comments; 1003 to 1008 should be “the six post directly above this one”.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:34 pm
@dadio I can take a lot of criticism, even the personal stuff BUT I HATE SPAM Inneskelly has gone along with the spam.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm
@ErikLeppen…it was me deleting the spam from @inneskelly
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
@sandy, are you online all the time or did you just log in? Do you read our comments? Do you listen to the negative critiscism?
And are you ever going to post an official post? We got 1000 comments now, soon it’ll burst, can’t you make a new headline on YoYo-front page. Also, it no longer matters what you write as there are too many (crappy) comments in between. A thousand! That’s like really many!
Also, thanks for banning the spammer.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Sorry, it’s just i feel like I need some kind of response I can rely on. It’ll tear at my heart if it is the smiley&cog logo which is chosen, as long as I don’t get to hear why you chose this over the other contestants. And what your rebuttals are on the long posts…
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 pm
My browser is almost breaking down when opening this page.
Lastly, yay 1000th post!
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:46 pm
This thread holds multiple times more posts than there are total in YYglog(without this thread of course) Maybe that givves you some view of how much we are about the image of the whole program. This is not a game anymore
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 pm
@sandy: Somewhere in this plethora of comments you mentioned you were open for suggestions as long as they’re no ‘revolution’ but an ‘evolution’ of the logo.
Now where is the line between evolution and revolution for you?
Would replacing the smiley with something else (non-hammer, you were clear about that) be considered too much of a ‘revolution’ already?
You should perhaps make it an announcement including all the details and rules if you actually plan to negotiate since, well, that is a good thing and it would probably change this whole situation in a positive way.
What do you think?
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Don’t worry I’ve fixed it:
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3626/ollieawesome.png
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
In all serious though it’s a very bad business decision. I mean look at all this negative feedback, surely there was a more democratic way of choosing a logo? Maybe a poll or something?
The actual logo though is pretty much generic trash, looked like it got wiped up in a few seconds.
A logo should be recognisable to the product, everyone knew what the hammer and red circle logo was for. Where as I’m not too sure if people know what a generic smiley face in a cog is for. (To me that smiley face looks like it’s come from one of those ads you see on the internet which advertises 1000+ Smilies when in fact it’s a malicious program. Do you want Game Maker to be mistaken for a malicious program?
Sandy, I’d like to know what was the actual decision to use this horrid image?
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I was looking forward to the release of GM8 but now that I see the logo I wonder if GM8 will suck that bad…
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
lol well duh the new game maker is going to be the best the logo is just going to suck. oh well he offered for someone to fix it…
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
1000 HATE COMMENTS?!
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Wait fixing it as in? Editting the smiley to look different? or replacing the smiley? cause no matter what I’m going to use the ball and hammer if we keep the smiley.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
oh and: woo i’m the 1010th commenter
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
No, not HATE COMMENTS. Of course some are HATE COMMENTS and spam and hatemail, but if you look at the long posts, you’ll find that it is disagreeing comments rather than HATE COMMENTS. But, it seems like 9:10 of theese 1000 comments are AGAINST the logo, so you could say
OMG!;900 DISAGREEING COMMENTS!
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Yep, A kilocommnets.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Considering the amount of terrible excuses for games being submitted to Yoyo, it makes me think it should have a blam system. Right now it’s just a little too much like Youtube. 1013
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 am
imm ain RAEG right now. IDC IF U FAILS THINK GM8 IS GOOD. IDC IF U LIKKE THESE PNG FILES. IDC IF YOU WANT A BLAND SHINY LOOK. GM7 IS BUEATIFUL. IDC IF I SPELLT THAT WRONG. THE FAIL IMAGE EDITOR CHANGE IS BAD ENOUGH. IT IS NO LONGER SUITED TO PIXELLING AS MUCH. BUT A LOGO CHANGE INTO SOMETHING SHINY? I HATE THESTYLISED HAMMER. I HATE THE SMILEY FACE EVEN MORE. THE ONLY GOOD SPRITE EDITOR IS THE OLD ONE, COMPLETE WITH GREEN BGS. THE ONLY GOOD LOGO IS THE RED ORB WITH THE SILVER SHAPE ON IT. THANK YOU IF YOU ACTUALLY READ MY WHOLE RANT.
srry its caps but it deserves to be.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:08 am
*tacks on*
I VOW NEVER TO DOWNLOAD ANY VERSIONS OF GAME MAKER PAST GM7. WHATEVER YOU DO. I AM DITCHING YOYOGAMES FOREVER. WHATEVER U DO TO UNDO THIS FAIL.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 am
@esnipplee
Please ditch this forum too then, if you want nothing to do with GM8 no matter what, then you overly capitalized rant does not hold water.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 am
*agrees with Snowleopard* Yea esnipplee.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:27 am
The new image editor is actually better for spriting in my opinion.
//STEP EVENT
elmzran.respectforsandy -= 100
A basic GM code just goes to show how much respect I have lost for Sandy over time.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
@Engine: Sandy replied plenty of time with useful comments, indicating that he is indeed listening to the critics. Apparently you just lack the will to check the entire list of posts.
If you want to trace Sandy’s posts, just search the page for “Sandy Says” with the search function of your browser.
I can hardly believe that all this fuss is just about the eyes of the smiley. They look up and that might add to the problem, but I think that most people who may accept a smiley in the first place, don’t like it because the expression is too close to lunacy. If you want that to be gone, you’ll have to modify the mouth. Making the eyes look towards you will only make the lunatic look at you, giving you an even less comfortable feeling.
The eyes do get a bit unclear when you resize the image to 32×32 pixels, which is still the common size for many icons. They are completely gone when resizing to 16×16.
So a reduction of the size of the mouth and an increase of the size of the eyes could do the trick.
I’d have to try that out first, though. No time to do that now, I’m afraid.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:49 am
Although I do disagree with the immaturity (insulting of Sandy and the creator), it is pretty unfitting. Plus, the votes may have been hacked as on the poll I just saw the smiley was ranked last.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:50 am
I think it’s more then the eyes, I think it’s the existence of a lunatic smiley that will turn people down.
My friends laughed when I showed it to them, one remarked that he can’t believe I use a piece of software with a logo like that.
My dad just laughed, shook his head, and walked away.
I’m not as quite upset as I used to be. But I still think this is a bad decision for Game Maker, and will fail to attract mature, responsible people.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:56 am
It’s not necessarily bad, but for Game Maker, maybe the smiley should be replaced with the GM hammer. Then that would be perfect because the gear is pretty good.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:59 am
For those of you asking I’ve read ALL of the comments, including the spam.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 am
@sandy at least say WHY you chose this logo! (and more than just that it reflects the fun and excitement that we feel is there for people who MAKE as well as PLAY games)
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:06 am
Yeah, because no offense but it just does not fit Game Maker, but if you take off the smiley and replace it with something Game Maker-ish then it would work better.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:07 am
What do you think about the Soviet Union representation, then?
Could you tell us WHY you changed it, besides the hammer thing? If you were 5 when it happened, I would understand… but 16?! Clearly that shouldn’t have messed you up.
Please? If you provide a valid, good, mature reason, I’ll start to like the logo.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 am
The gear is fine, it just needs something different in the center.
Maybe we should take a vote on who wants to replace the smiley with a hammer?
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 am
Or something else?
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:32 am
I’m still going for if it can’t be a hammer, let it be another tool symbolizing building/work like a wrench.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:34 am
I do not mean to be a jerk, but if the Yoyo Games community wants a different logo (not even a different guy, just made differently!) I do not think that one man should stand in the way of, at last count, 742. I hope I have not offended anyone, but I just have to say.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:35 am
I agree with Spyran.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:36 am
Sypran, I mean.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 am
@sandy “For those of you asking I’ve read ALL of the comments, including the spam.” I have read most of them, and everything after approx 500 (when I started posting). I really care about what happens to game maker sandy. I leave this tab open while I work and check it every 15 min or so.
P.S. I accidentally copied the whole forum instead of your quote. When I tried to paste it in the comment box my computer crashed! LOL
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:42 am
You know what? I honestly would not care at all if we got rid of the hammer for the logo. Or kept the gear. It’s good every once in a while to change the image of a company. Look at But I would like to see a logo that still focuses on the “building” aspect of GameMaker, not the “ecstasy of playing a cool game” part.
As many people have pointed out, Game Maker sometimes has a reputation for being too “kiddy” because of its drag-and-drop format. I realize that it isn’t, but this logo…well, it’s going to make it harder to be an outspoken Game Maker fan.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 am
*Look at Wal-Mart, which just moved away from the smiley design. (That’s what the cut-off sentence was supposed to be.)
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:52 am
What happened to Mark anyway?
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:07 am
@Who knows, I wish he would tell us what he thinks about this.
P.S. Mark’s university page “http://people.cs.uu.nl/markov/”
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 am
oops I meant @Starrior + “comment”
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 am
I wonder if he approves of this…….
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 am
Lol, christmas carols.
Silent Night, not tonight
All ain’t calm, all ain’t bright
New logo brings an unholy plight,
No solution seems to be in sight!
Game Maker is doomed!
Game Maker is doomed!
Doom to GM, new logo’s come
How in sam hill did it win?
For inexplicable reason,
Won the logo competition,
Now everyone bangs their head,
Now the community facepalms,
Now eeeeveryyyything is upside down.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 am
Sandy said:
!I sense there’s some common sense floating about… I’ll take positive suggestions along these lines.. It’s NOT about money…
Firstly, I want Albert to agree to any changes to HIS logo, but I’m prepared to LISTEN..and even pay out more prize money if, AND only IF, we can reach a consensus that Albert’s design is essentially OK…
I understand that is time for constructive suggestions. Suggestions about how could be modified the actual logo. I am reading a lot of flame and only a few real suggestions. Please, let’s be serious. Insults are not the right way to be listened. Why don´t simply put the suggestions here? it’s obvious we have a problem with the logo. But this is not the way.
I have a suggestion about the logo: if you only erase the face and put an sphere instead, i think it will be look much better.
Something more or less like this:
http://www.siliconcreatures.com/GM/GM8v1.2reduced.png
But with the author style.
PD: Sorry for my english. It’s a little dificult for me.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 am
No no no no this is childish… Look the point im trying to make is we are 13-20 year olds or older. Look, Mark if you are reading this I’m sorry but this isn’t what people want, you’ve read these comments and people HATE this new logo and i kinda agree if you are going to create the only programing program you can find on google, make it look nice I’d take time,skim, and understand we dislike this logo.
If you read this and uderstand me you’ll see what I mean.
P.S. No childish smiley like =) please.
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 am
As I said before, the gear is good, we just need to put something there like a wrench or hammer or something.
Not a demented smiley!
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:43 am
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@ @
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^^
logo
the suit
Make GM
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 am
crap it got rid of my spaces
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 am
What?
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 am
@sandy just change the smiley part
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:47 am
|……………|
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…||…….||…
…..|…..|…..
..@………..@..
……./\……..
…….^^……..
……logo…….
…the….suit…
Make………..GM
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 am
If the smiley was just changed it’d actually be perfect!
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 am
//the complete script compiled and added to
if new_logo = “gets replaced” snowleopard = “=^-^=” + “happy kitty”
var logo, text_2;
text_2 = “what was sandy thinking!?”;
logo = “emoticon?” + text_2 + “this has nothing to do with Game Maker”;
if logo ! = “good”{
instance_destroy(bad_logo);
albert_zak_$ += 350;
// pay a professional to do it
instance_create(new_better_logo);
respect_for_sandy += random(20)+40;
//Formula to approximate people’s (long time users anyway) respect for yoyo, GM, and it’s staff; written in GML
switch(admit_mistake){
case 1: respect = (100-(random(20)+10)); break;
case 0: respect = 100-(60+random(20)); break;
if sandy_gets_proff_overmars_to_speak = 1 respect += 24
with (bad_logo) instance_destroy();
if !newlogo.change == 0
buyGM8 = 0
message_show(“I refuse to buy this”)
No offense I just saw this earlier and decided to add to it
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 am
Sandy, please give us a more serious response
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:29 am
I am not Sandy and he will give no response because he cannot think of a reasonable answer to Elmrazan’s question.
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:32 am
What the heck my virus scanner just popped up and said that instanplay was a virus or contained one!
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 am
Maybe Sandy is trying to crash my computer!
Not really
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 am
Are you still with us Sandy?
P.S. I had to write an essay today, guess what it was about….
title = Game Maker History and The Yoyo games “new logo” flame wars
No really I did
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:00 am
Alright, I’ve thought about it and have had some new ideas about what to do with the GM logo that would make it better. This is the same post I wrote in the GMC topic.
Nobody seems to have mentioned the shading on the new logo yet. It really bugs me how there is no set light sourcing (in other words: the gradients used are inconsistent with each other, causing them to not fit together very well). Also, what’s with the inverted gradient on the outline of the cog? Does that not seem cheaply done and unprofessional?
Of course, if it’s design aspects and not graphical technicalities we’re looking for, I have a few recommendations.
1. Avoid a straight-on image if that image is meant to look somewhat 3 dimensional. In this case, the smiley does attempt to look 3D (because of the gradients). Therefore, we should change the logo to be completely 2D or rotate it a little bit.
2. Use very few colors. The new logo uses way to many heavy gradients – ideally, there should not be more than one or two high-contrast gradients. This is because logos tend to be used at small sizes and for a vast variety of things, so it helps if the colors are easy to identify and do not blend too smoothly. I would suggest using fill shading and “soft” gradients (for the most part), like on the Yahoo logo.
3. Make the smiley look happy, but not overly excited. How you do this, I don’t care.
4. Keep it simple. Right now, we have a smiley in a cog wheel – somewhat simple, but it still consists of two entirely separate objects. It would be nice if we could narrow it down to one.
This is the sort of thing that I think could be developed into a better logo: http://i50.tinypic.com/309isgp_th.jpg
Idea: We could always just make a cog wheel that is smiling. For example, something like this (disclaimer: I am no great vector artist – I’d prefer that someone make a better example of this): [img]http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5275/logoeg.png[/img]
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:08 am
pfft… i could make a better smiley than this logo…
Here is an example: http://www.gavipico.com/yoyogames/smileything.jpg
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 am
im not mad about the logo so much as the poaple on this site
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 am
srry for the smiley thing i couldn’t find the original file but i had a small 1
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:29 am
@sandy: …that’s cool that you let me (everyone) know you did actually read my (everyones) post(s) “including the spam” and then must have decided to not actually answer any of it.
I took a bit more comfort when I didn’t know if you read my questions yet or just were too busy to answer at all but good thing you’ve actually read it all… and apparently ignored it all?
Please tell me I’m wrong.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:44 am
Everyone could not grasp the true form of Smiley’s attack!
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3019/gm8giygas.png
(Yes, it looks crappy, but then, so does the one up there.)
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:26 am
I made a little flash cartoon. Just for the fun of it. Heheheh.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/519910
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:42 am
Hey, there are creativity here guys…
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:55 am
Seriously, hasn’t the smiley thing been done to death in EVERYTHING already including all IM’s?
I personally like the one with the little green guy with the clipboard, it’s FUN and it looks great and would most definately bring people into use it.
Sorry guys, but the gear thing is getting old too…
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 am
Hey Sandy, I tried my hand at an “evolution” of the new Logo, here`s one of the possibilities:
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4060/gmlogo01transparentgifs.gif
Check it out & let me know what you think. I wrote down my thoughts/ideas about this on the GMLgo suggestion topic over on the GMC.
(Basically, tie it into the YoYo brand, ditch the “yellow” smiley connection, simplify for better downscaling).
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
I was going to say something, but then I realized it’s all been said a hundred times already, excellently some times. No need to repeat it once more, I guess, but Sandy still needs to know that we still hate it.
Please, please kill the smiley.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
@dadio
I still don’t like the usage of a smiley, but that one I find to be bearable. Nice work.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 am
i do not agree with that logo it looks i don’t know i can’t say well its really bad i don’t want you sandy to think im saying its your fault i think its not i think its the peoples fault for making such stupid logos but you gotta see this i didnt make it but still dosnt it change your mind sandy? (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/519910) its funny!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
by the way i just made an account to say change your mind please for the whole of yoyogames/gamemaker fans because thay want a change why can’t you just change it maybe like dadio made (http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4060/gmlogo01transparentgifs.gif) i think its way better then the one thats up there but no one will look up to you unless you change it sorry but its true
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:36 am
i do not agree with that logo it looks i don’t know i can’t say well its really bad i don’t want you sandy to think im saying its your fault i think its not i think its the peoples fault for making such stupid logos but you gotta see this i didnt make it but still dosnt it change your mind sandy? (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/519910) its funny!! (wait i change it its not any ones fault it just not the right logo for a program like that)
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Вот и кто нибудь объяснит почему опять поперли эти долбанные логотипы со смайликами?
I dont understand it! It’s not funne, it’s so terrible.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Come on guys the new logo isn,t that bad.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Another (high detail) variant of my take on the Logo:
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/227/gmfull10lesstoothy.gif
This general design seems to be getting alot more tolerance/respect than the “actual” new Logo.
Quite a few have even tried various tweaks on it too
Lemmee know your thoughts Sandy! Would be amazing to have been part of GMs new Logo
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
For everyone who doesn’t believe Game Maker has a reputation for being a program for kids:
One of my friends once asked a teacher whether we could use Game Maker instead of “very simple Visual Basic scripts in an Access* form” for programming. He showed the teacher some games created in Game Maker and first the teacher agreed. But later he changed his mind after discovering it was possible to use drag-and-drop.
What would the teacher have done if he had seen THIS logo instead of the ball-and-hammer? He wouldn’t even have downloaded the program …
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
@dadio, great logo, maybe just on the rim of evolution/revolution, but I’d be happy if this got chosen. Maybe make sure the mouth doesn’t touch the outline of the smiley, and the tongue and teeth are a little too much.
I’ll vote for this. Just look at the color-scheme; original, keen and matching with YoYogames
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
@ crozza
Even if it isn’t that bad (to you), do you think it’s a suitable smiley for GM? Does it represent what GM can do? NO. All it is is a drugged Awesome Smiley ripoff in a cog with poor shading.
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
May be, if Sandy don’t like Hammer on logo, we must draw turnscrew or other instrument?
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Ok, I did some experiments.
I must remind you that I didn’t mind the original design, but I do see that the expression on the face of the smiley may be an issue to some (many, apparently).
Here’s a page with a list of samples with different expressions. I only experimented with the eyes and reduced the size of the mouth a bit.
I didn’t use the original smiley, because it was 90% mouth and I would have had to redraw the entire bottom, so I drew a completely new one. That’s why the shading is different.
These logo’s have only been designed to show the expression of the face when certain elements are moved or resized.
http://www.trollsplatterer.be/images/gmlogo
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Trollsplatterer, sorry, but i think your work was in vain. None of the changes are really helping.
(as long as you didn’t want to show why it shouldn’t be a smiley at all.)
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I think dadio is making the perfect compromise here, his redone logo is genuinely conveying happiness to me.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm
I’m liking dadio’s.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
@dadio That is much better than the current smiley. I think it’s the fact that the “happiness” is toned down a bit, so it doesn’t look disturbingly ecstatic. I’m a little disappointed that the logo must be a smiley, but much better yours that the one that’s there now.
@Captain_Cook
“Everyone could not grasp the true form of Smiley’s attack!
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3019/gm8giygas.png”
That really made me laugh! Thank you for that.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 pm
again i’ll be keeping the ball and hammer so no worries for me =D the rest of you can worry your butts off, cope with the smiley, or just replace it with something else.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Seriously, Game maker is putting trojans on my computer. What id going on? I think Yoyo Games got hacked!
December 4th, 2009 at 12:01 am
@ crozza
You know, it would help if you elaborated WHY it isn’t bad (and, as a bonus, counter everyone’s reasons why they hate the logo).
Your opinion holds no weight without some good reasoning behind it.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Actually the virus scanner had a bad update
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/12/bad_avast_update_labels_files.php
December 4th, 2009 at 12:29 am
@ maarten baert
Same thing I introduced GM in my Visual basic class, My teacher didn’t like the Drag and Drop stuff, (except of course the coding ones =P)
And when I showed her this logo she gave a funny look at me, she even said, “I don’t think the principle would approve to download this update. He will think we are downloading something not age appropriate” – there ya go a teacher’s response to the logo. Shame though cause I was looking forward to using GM8 in school, and any game I make at home will be incompatible if I make it with GM8, well w/e I guess I’ll just have to work on assignments purely in school.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:08 am
The logo scares me actually. I mean seriously, a smiley face? So us the real logo plz.
Kthxbai.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:08 am
Oops, *show
But seriously, I think this is a joke.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:46 am
We all wish.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:04 am
check out my smiley: http://www.gavipico.com/yoyogames/smiley.jpg
December 4th, 2009 at 2:04 am
I don’t know if there are any other nerds like me but see if you can decipher this.
Also this logo is terrible.
But yeah, decipher this to hear more about my opinion on this logo.
Ha! Show us the real logo.
This has to be a joke.
The entire post is completely unprofessional. You made about four typographical errors then posted an extremely distasteful logo with a terribly recognizable font.
I have taken 2 courses and read 2 books on graphic design, and I can tell you, this is NOT good graphic design.
If you want a good, modernized logo, you need that hammer back in there. The hammer is a symbol of Game Maker. Maybe a slick aero effect would look nice too. But DEFINITELY not the way this logo was done, especially with the horrible aliasing around the edges. This new logo just completely degrades Game Maker to a childish extent.
If you use this logo, I’m not getting Game Maker 8. Period. I am completely disappointed in you guys.
And about 100 or so people agree with me here.
Wow. I am just appalled at this logo. I don’t know what else to say.
TO SUM IT ALL UP: THIS LOGO IS AWFUL!
December 4th, 2009 at 2:42 am
http://jusbmx.webs.com/
Is what i made for icon
December 4th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Albert’s cog design is very good. I think it represents the “make” part of Game Maker rather nicely. It’s just the unoriginal smiley face that needs to go.
EVERYONE: we need to come up with a new design to replace the smiley. Maybe something that represents the creative or “play” aspects… and no hammers, because Sandy doesn’t accept hammers.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:01 am
Yeah. Maybe a wrench?
December 4th, 2009 at 4:04 am
@sandy if ur goin to put THIS in the top-left corner of all game maker 8 lite games THEN I see y u chose it…
December 4th, 2009 at 4:17 am
To humiliate everybody?
December 4th, 2009 at 4:28 am
Yeah, that might be it
December 4th, 2009 at 4:31 am
dadio’s original logo is ok, and the variant is bad. I still think we/you should ditch the smiley and put the hammer back.
If not the hammer then some other thing that symbolizes game creation.
Remember, GM is not a program to play games, thats why it’s called Game Maker!
December 4th, 2009 at 4:33 am
Game \-|MAKER!|-/
forgot to emphasize the word.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:43 am
I really like dadio’s variant on the logo. I don’t really care for yoyogame’s color scheme, but this matches it, which is cool, and the smiley is much more tastefully made. I’m not scared of or confused by this smiley.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/227/gmfull10lesstoothy.gif
December 4th, 2009 at 4:53 am
Hm… no hammers? Ok, I create 5 new variants… really, it’s one image, but every image more cool, than previous =)
There they are:
http://www.teg.gm-rus.ru/myimages.html
December 4th, 2009 at 4:55 am
i know my account will get banned for this and ill get flammed like hell…probally never be able to sign up for an account with this email again, and sorry for the language but:
Stop bitching about the logo, if you ask me your the 5 year olds. Seriously, what does the logo matter. Personally, I like it, a lot of effort obviously went into it. Now think, If the creator is reading this, what have you made them feel like? The logo looks fine, it might not suit game maker but whatever. And it isn’t Sandy’s fault at all. Sandy is great and I don’t think it is exactly fair to be bashing Sandy. Seriously, if you want game maker to be professional think of it this way. Is a community of whiny bitchy brats going to turn away a newcomer to the community, I think so. So shut the fuck up.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:41 am
@Sneakypuppy
No, barely any effort went into this logo at all. The creator’s words himself:
“By the way, I’m just a random 15yr old (have a heart hehe) who decided to enter and started throwing something together using the Illustrator demo for like two or three _days_ before the deadline.”
“It took less than 2 hours of tutorial-watching to make me believe that I knew enough to create the logo.”
So no, he didn’t work hard, he just threw something together and sent it out saying “have a heart hehe.” and now afterward, after he’s already won, he starts getting all annoyingly cocky:
“I guess nobody, not even Sandy himself, would have expected so much ranting (let’s say “heated discussion”), but eventually everyone will calm down as they realize there’s just no point in childish complaining. I’m however still kind of puzzled why only 8% picked this as their favorite, but I’m glad Sandy and a few others realized what’s really behind this logo.”
Puzzled why only 8% chose it? Maybe because you threw it together after two hours of watching online tutorials.
I don’t hate Albert Zak. I don’t think his logo is bad. I also don’t think it belongs there, as the face of Game Maker.
Disgusting.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:10 am
I think Sandy should make A NEW BLOG POST! There is over 1,000 comments!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:33 am
yeah, guys, it won’t be changed, no matter how much nagging happens. sandy is just too proud and stubborn(not what I originally thought of him, but ‘power corrupts’ I suppose)
You don’t need to freak out about the logo. Is it was said about 1100 posts earlier, you can just change it for yourself if you don’t like it.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Apologies to the young community who will read this, but this logo looks like a smiley face that found his mate, and already getting a major orgasm, before being in bed with her.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Vote No for GM8 logo!:
http://www.jazcogames.com/gm8logopoll.htm
December 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Think about people who discover Game Maker, will they download a program with a stupid smiley face?
If the old logo was still there, they
would, but not with this absolutely crap logo. I don’t hate the logo itself, but for it to represent Game Maker is an embarrassment.The rate at which people get into Game Maker and join Game Maker websites like Yoyo games would plummet, all thanks to one proud and stubborn guy’s despicable decision. Thanks a lot Sandy, for this step into ruining the next few years of Yoyo games and Game Maker[:x]
December 4th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
@ Rx: My work has not been in vain. Don’t you understand the real meaning of the words “subtle improvements”? It doesn’t mean: start from scratch and make something which looks a bit like the original. It means changing a few elements.
I was merely showing what would happen if certain elements of the smiley were to be changed.
I didn’t mean to ask Sandy to choose one of these for the new logo, I merely meant for you guys to discuss which elements needed refinement.
As my post was, except by you, completely ignored, I draw my conclusions.
None of you seem to be willing to adapt the original logo, you all want to change it completely. That’s not what Sandy meant when he said “I’m prepared to look at subtle improvements”.
Hence, I’m quite sure that YOUR efforts will all be in vain. You agree upon something which you know the owners of YoYo Games won’t agree with, which is pointless. You had better change this attitude if you want anything to be done about the logo.
It’s you who are ignoring Sandy, not the way around.
Discuss subtle improvements, or you will be ignored.
December 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
I give up hope on sandy, Tis the fall of GM, how sad. I’ll stick by it’s side no matter what though, not for the stubborn power corrupted type of owner which we call sandy… *has lost all faith in sandy*
December 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
shit, i will stop with gamemaker for 2 resons:
1 this logo is horrible!
2 i bought my gm7PRO 24/12/08
December 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
oh I will not be buying GM8, I’m happy with GM7 right now.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
[OFFTOPIC]Hey, I got the onethousand-onehudredandeleventh post. I feel a bit like I beat Bilbo, though not in age![/OFFTOPIC]
@CloudVIIX: Corruption indicates the abuse of power. Sandy only decides things which are rightfully his to decide. Besides, I’m sure he’s not the only one who has his say about the decision of the logo.
He does give you the chance to suggest improvements, but you don’t seem to want to grasp that chance.
@bobsijswinkel: Doesn’t sound like a good reason to stop GM. You just bought it, why stop now? GM7 is a nice program, nobody says you have to use GM8.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
shouldnt the people vote and not a couple of people..
December 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Whoa! So many people are going to stop using game maker because of the logo! I will not. But I don’t like the logo!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
I can’t help but read through the posts and think that people need to give Sandy some breathing room. Giving opinions and persuasive arguments is one thing, but saying day after day, “why won’t you answer?” is another.
YYG is a business. Business decisions take time and research. Money (read: livelihood) is at stake. Not to mention all the internal human considerations, such as the outside world’s respect for a business and its products/services and its -human operators.-
By no means am I suggesting that people stop registering-just-to-voice-their-opinions,
I’m just suggesting we all keep in mind that big decisions can’t be taken lightly. And deciding -how- to react to such backlash (backlash against the -result- of an already big decision: rebranding, dissociating from a previous -familiar- image)–surely this all is a tremendous weight on the people in the decision-making positions here (read: Sandy Duncan and colleagues).
In short, please be patient as the days roll onward–and do unto Sandy as you would have him do unto you.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Just to join in:
YES!
The logo is terrible.
Please change it immediately.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:06 am
wow, 1119 people made comments about the crappy logo, and so far, EVERY comment i saw was saying “this logo is crap” or “im not using game maker again” or “i hate the smiley face in the middle” or even “cant we change the smiley to the hammer?”. the only GOOD comment i saw was the first one. besides that, im one of the 1119 people who completely hates the new gm logo! just watch! the next few people who post comments will be bad ones… REALLY bad ones!
December 5th, 2009 at 12:09 am
WTF! dude i come back after 2 weeks not on yoyogames, and this happens? this isnt professinal! its a stupid gear tht every1 uses and a smiley face! tht isnt so hard 2 make! this makes game maker look like crap! i rather stick with game maker 7 then 8, this is pathetic…..its sad tht a smiley face tht has nothing 2 do with making games……i have an idea! instead of making games! LETS MAKE LIL DOLLS WITH SMILEY FACES ON THEM!!….serious im out
December 5th, 2009 at 12:37 am
http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2005-01-23/
Change is good, alright. Suuuuure.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:03 am
Yeah.
Except for the ironic part about “change = smiley face
December 5th, 2009 at 1:17 am
I think you’ll find there is a very mature and positive thread on this topic over in the GMC. My sources tell me that they’ll even force me to make a change as soon as the end of this weekend. I’m off to visit family until Monday morning UK time, but I guess the smile might be wiped off of my face by then.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:23 am
I’m too lazy to read through 1,000+ comments about how much of a disappointment this is. But…
It’s not a surprise GM, despite it’s helpfulness in learning real programming, has started to slip my interest. This supports it, smilies are often used in extreme beginner programs, and while Game Maker can be used for both starters AND professionals, this makes it look like one of those engines that make newbies think it’s extremely easy and can make (seemingly to them) professional games without the use of coding. Game Maker may not be suitable for 3D or even some 2D cases, but this makes it look like a program that does everything itself.
And don’t forget guys, the forum is awful for support too, full of either newbies or people who barely help at all without full explanations, even in Beginner’s section with members who are actually trying to do something.
Yoyogames, by now you should have realized that this choice has upset many users. You guys must not be better than Sega or other companies that appreciate their wrong moves.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:27 am
I think the log should be similar to this
http://ketchupfordesert.wikispaces.com/file/view/GM8_cl_Text.png/107419577/GM8_cl_Text.png
December 5th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Sandy please excuse the fact it has a hammer and the low quality
December 5th, 2009 at 1:30 am
[...] aver fatto storcere il naso a molti utenti di Game Maker con l’annuncio del nuovo logo, YoYo Games ha pubblicato sul suo blog un’altra pessima notizia riguardo al suo software di [...]
December 5th, 2009 at 1:41 am
Can someone translate?
December 5th, 2009 at 1:42 am
And if no hammers, the wrench should be sideways like in the original logo.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:50 am
@ Starrior Games:
It is Italian, and according to Google Translator…
“… have made many people turn up their nose in Game Maker with the announcement of the new logo, YoYo Games has posted on his blog another bad news about its software …”
December 5th, 2009 at 1:53 am
It’s true, I am afraid….
December 5th, 2009 at 3:44 am
Peoples, may be this logo will be only on GM icon or only in Lite version (in Lite 7 was small logo in left top corner)… or it will be just standart logo…
If only icon, we can use other icons (for example, I’ll use my icons)
If like logo in corner, we can buy Pro.
If like standart splash screen, we can just change it in Global Game Properties…
or Sandy hide this possabilites yet?
December 5th, 2009 at 5:05 am
If the old default game icon was a ball without a hammer, would the new default be the gear without the smiley?
December 5th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Keep up the votes people!
http://www.jazcogames.com/gm8logopoll.htm
December 5th, 2009 at 5:51 am
LOL! Seeing that on my desktop is going to give me something to laugh at! That logo is simply pathetic! I almost feel sorry for pixels which make up that logo!
December 5th, 2009 at 6:57 am
YOW, 1100+ comments… ‘bit of a debate much? I guess I’m not the first to say this, but I’m rather shocked that you picked this logo. Actually, smiley faces REALLY aren’t that bad imo… but its just such a weird smiley face. Can you tell us what you like about this logo? Because I just CANNOT see what this logo has going for it.
December 5th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
what the? I left a comment here but it never showed up… why D:
Basically: If your trying to aim to kids, this will not work, I am a kid/teen myself. Most kids like shooting stuff and bloody stuff, and a good small portion even likes : S*x, i’m not saying all kids act like this but I know a good portion does, and also, once at gamestop my friend saw a 5 and 6 year old walk in and ask their parents for an M/A game, cause it had s*x in it! I do not do any of that sort, I disagree very much them. i’m sorry to say but this probably won’t please kids <P
December 5th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Hey guys look at what I made http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9492/newgmlogo.png
December 5th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
I am another person who signed up to complain.
It just looks too childish, and will prevent older people
who may actually know how to make games from using gamemaker. That may leave the children who are young enough to find the logo cute the ones using gamemaker. That may mean alot of dumb games online. Some of the other logos were a lot better not only in looks, but the fact that it suits gamemaker.
December 5th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
about 500 posts later i will post again
dont forget the petition
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/#signpetition
it’s not my petition but the last i checked it was at 772 supporters
December 6th, 2009 at 12:07 am
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7384/logothatpwnzsmily.png
My logo that I made in an hour in Maya.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:08 am
[quote]He has even been threatening to attempt suicide.[/quote]
If that’s true… then that would be enough to make anybody with a heart change it back.
But I sadly don’t think that’s happening. The YYG Staff are ignoring the pleas of around 1000 people to change the logo back.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:54 am
A childish smiling face…
I could criticize the choice, or insult whoever made it, but what would that accomplish?
I guess what I really want to know is WHY?
Why has the old, simple logo been replaced?
Why has a childish, completely different design been chosen?
I simply do not understand…
December 6th, 2009 at 2:08 am
“He personally identifies with the “Game Maker” software program, and this identity is now being ruined by the new “logo”. He has even been threatening to attempt suicide.”
[Rachel Redleaf]
“I plead with the employees of the YoYo games company and its CEO, Sandy Duncan, to please reconsider, as my son has become extremely depressed due to this unfortunate decision.”
Whether or not this comment is true; I also am rather depressed about the logo.
[Sandy]
“I think you’ll find there is a very mature and positive thread on this topic over in the GMC. My sources tell me that they’ll even force me to make a change as soon as the end of this weekend. I’m off to visit family until Monday morning UK time, but I guess the smile might be wiped off of my face by then.”
Whatever we write won’t be read until Monday, so no more asking why sandy is not answering until then.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Sorry for double commenting, but I apologize for any grammar and spelling errors in my earlier post. It is hard to spot them with a comment box half the size of the actual comment.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:43 am
“I’m willing to see evolution, not revolution…
Evolution vs Revolution if Albert Zak is one of the judges ? (and no hammers !)
I sense there’s some common sense floating about… I’ll take positive suggestions along these lines.. It’s NOT about money…
Firstly, I want Albert to agree to any changes to HIS logo, but I’m prepared to LISTEN..and even pay out more prize money if, AND only IF, we can reach a consensus that Albert’s design is essentially OK…
… if there’s enough consensus amongst the dissenters I’m prepared to look at subtle improvements. For those of you who think the decision is financial, I’m even prepared to pay out some more money, but I need to have some sense that this isn’t just a “we don’t like it because it’s new” kind of argument.”
- Sandy Duncan, YYG Blog
December 6th, 2009 at 5:01 am
Even a caveman-based logo or something would be better than that horrific garbage that they want to be a logo.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
This is the beginning of the end to Game Maker, Sandy, well done on the greatest failure to Yoyo games and Game Maker.So many people are shocked about this rubbish decision, and are actually leaving yoyo games, and in time Game Maker.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
(revelation has 22 chapters)
December 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
New Game Maker banner, created for only fora, created by us:
http://www.easy-upload.nl/index.php/file/64b1be586c4a2f
December 6th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
hater92! i’m actually glad with our logo after looking at yours!
December 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
I’m setting off to work to create another game maker logo! I really wish we’d got a premade logo or sumthin!
December 6th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
@pindrops1
I hope you understand that it was just a “sarcasm” banner.
December 6th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Seriously, this logo sucks. I will always use the old logo when crediting my games, and will laugh at the utter not funny joke of this one.
December 6th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
@snowleopard it’s Sunday night in UK and I’m still reading the comments.
December 6th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
@Sandy
Glad you are back! I hoep this logo-thing gets resolved in a week.
December 6th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Sandy you say that your reading the comments but you sound like you are ignoring them, don’t care what we think or actually LIKE this logo. Please say which it is.
December 6th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
This logo in a word:
Unprofessional.
December 6th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I saw the topic on the GMC about fixing the logo, but the new logo won’t be any better, because it has to incorporate a gear and a smiley in it somehow. The gear and the smiley are why this logo is so terrible. The gear is overused, and the smiley is just unprofessional.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:48 am
Here is my opinion on the logo – When I opened this blog after a long absence, I was shocked – Logo branding is a key element and something you are remembered by – it is your image…. Now I am focusing my remarks on the author’s work and NOT as a person – regardless of whether he is a good person or not – I will give my honest opinion….
There are LOT of talented people out there – I have NOT seen all the other submissions, but I have a very hard time, knowing some people on GMC having amazing skills, to believe that there hasn’t been anything better than this ! We are talking about a generous prize here – prize tha should go to someone who used talent, skill, ORIGINALITY and effort, not to mention creativity….
Sorry to say, this logo is NOT worth the $250 prize, and quite frankly mate I think you should take back your $250 – Absolutely no effort and originality and zero creativity ! He used the SAFE approach. Game Maker using a font that is not exactly too appealing…. gear, to simplistic, and the smiley – merely a cut and paste job – I reckon I’ve seen this same smiley – In other words, typing text usin a font, slapping a smiley inside a gear, I could have done this myself in 2 minutes – no effort whatsoever.
The smiley is way over the top – it is fun to create games, but a wide open mouth, sorry, way over the top – Game Maker should NOT only target kids and kindergarden but general population, those who are not into programming whatsoever, and this logo does not truely represent this – very poor choice – and to think that this won $250 !!! bloody hell – I’m shocked – you mean to tell me that you have not received anything better than this ? impossible.
GameMaker is about talent…skills…..creativity…originality…..it’s not just about drag and drop and make any crappy game….the logo certainly does NOT represent game maker’s values.
Sorry this logo is abysmal !
People saying they will stop using game maker because of it – LOL – you’re being silly.
a brand / logo leaves a lasting impression on a company.
This mates, will certainly leave an impression alright – a big laughing joke ! It was always said that originality/creativity makes good games – obviously the owners don’t think it applies to branding.
What a shame.
0/10 for originality
0/10 for creativity
0/10 for efforts
Mark, Sandy, you both made a very big mistake in judgement choosing this logo ! this worries me because I know there will be thousands of sprites and rsources bundled with GM8 – I hope we can expect something decent there
December 7th, 2009 at 4:10 am
It would delight me if I could know a specific, coherent reason why this particular logo was chosen, and why the thriving Game Maker community had no part in the selection.
I haven’t looked through all of these 1000-something comments, but the ones I have seen have failed to provide an answer to either question…
December 7th, 2009 at 4:13 am
I made a better logo, but I’m gonna post it a better time. all it is is the same text of Gamemaker, and a cool looking gear with a wrench crossing the middle.
December 7th, 2009 at 4:53 am
First off, yes, I registered just to say this…
Second, I have no doubt that the creator spent much time working on this logo. But it just isn’t up to to par. I mean no offense to the creator, and the logo would be very good for a different type of program, but it just isn’t for Game Maker. When a company changes it’s logo, the logo should be an evolution, not a revolution. Look a the logo’s for Windows. (http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6541/collage.png) Even from the very first version of Windows, they have had a similar flag theme. If in Windows 8 (or whatever they call it) they decided to change their logo to a slice of pizza, wouldn’t you be a bit confused?
If someone used Game Maker some 5 years ago and tried to find it again and saw this logo, they probably wouldn’t think it was the same logo.
Again, if GM’s logo had incorporated a smilie in the first place, it would have been fine. But with the new logo, you stepped away from the original hammer that I’ve grown to love.
Regards,
–Conman124
December 7th, 2009 at 4:54 am
whoops, end of third paragraph: program instead of logo
December 7th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Hey Sandy, just me again. You`re probably well aware of the Logo voting going on over on the GMC, but I suspect there were/are gonna be a few variant designs that you won`t get a chance to see.
I`d like to put forward this possibility – it keeps perfectly restricted to the current YOYOGames colors & *exact equal line width style* (for brand recognition/association), stays very true to Albert`s original concept & font choice, with extra readability for that “k”, & the smiley part (Fred`s) is crystal clear:
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/2923/gmgroovymodcombo.png
It`s kind of a “composite” of a few variant designs & crit fixes that were put forth, & I personally feel that it is visually the very strongest out of the lot, (& stays truest to Albert`s original design).
Thanks for looking
December 7th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Anyway, about this Evolution not Revolution thing…
The Revolution is already in progress
Petitions, vores, uproar…
Still got no valid answers to polite questions.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Hey… dadio’s version is better than all the crappy “me-too” logos here in this discussion. Something Sandy should consider.
December 7th, 2009 at 6:38 am
dadio – love it
December 7th, 2009 at 7:04 am
I don’t think this logo properly portrays GameMaker, the games it can create, and the users who use it. To me it is very cliche.
Although it is a good logo I think it seems a bit to childish to use. I know a lot of the user base consists of middleschoolers, but even when I started using gm in middle school I don’t think I would really want this logo. I strived to make professional games (they were hardly professional back then, though, but at least I tried), and this logo isn’t very professional in that respect.
Next is the fact that games made from game maker come in many genres. This logo, to me, seems to present one genre.
Finally, the gear doesn’t represent Game Maker as it could. It’s hard to explain, but gears never come into my mind when I think about GM.
The reason why the old logo worked so well for the most part is because it stayed neutral in both the user base and gm creations. Then the hammer did a great job at representing GM. You build game’s with Game Maker. Maybe the hammer could have been depicted better, but it was very symbolic.
Though I’m not saying GM has to have a hammer. I just think the gear either needs replaced or worked on to better represent GM.
-Adam D.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Not meaning to double post. But I like dadio’s design in post 1167.
December 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Splean’s logo is awsome, i would rather it
December 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Sandy please take notice that so many people have not only commented against this biut, like myself, SIGNED UP to comment against it. If people signed up for this but not other topics they find this the most important topic in the forum!
December 7th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Sandy, if you or anyone else thinks that this is a “we don’t like this logo because its new!” Argument, you have obviously not read the comments. I mean, sure its new, but this wont stop if this logo isn’t changed. its not that we don’t want a new logo, its that we don’t want the logo changed to a childish smiley with a creepily per-portioned face. Its a good logo for a game that includes a happy smiley face traveling around and meeting people, but not a logo that portrays the program that can make 3D games first person shooters, creepy dream-scape platformers, magicians attacking monsters while traveling around, a plague that you must find a way to destroy, and the such. Of course there are those games that perfectly match this logo, but that’s just stereotyping. Not all games are played or made for kicks and giggles, like this new logo portrays, some are made to teach a lesson or tell of events. the smiley face has to go, unless the creator replaces or gives you permission to replace the smiley with, i don’t know, a construction worker smiley. Whatever the compromise is, please let the community vote this time. Please. Even if it doesn’t matter much to the company now, all that matters is what the customers think. if the company likes it, then they keep it, but if they do and the customers don’t like it, then the customer usually doesn’t get it. That would be like saying, “Oh! the picture looks terrible! I’m gonna buy it!” yes, very hypocritical, right? So even if the company doesn’t care if the logo stays, remember, the customer always goes first because they are the one GETTING the product! like that old time saying says, “Always agree with the customer!”
Even if you don’t like what I say, that still doesn’t keep it from being the truth. I personally don’t use Gamemaker much, but from the fuss everyone is making, the smartest idea would be just to change it. Wouldn’t it be better to not chance loosing half of the community by just simply making a compromise with us? I sure think so! Don’t necessarily use a new logo, if you don’t want to do that, just compromise with us. it seems that all of us have a mutual complaint: THE CRAZY SMILE MUST GO!
December 7th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
are they replacing the logo yet?..
December 7th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/GM8/#signpetition
petition
December 8th, 2009 at 12:14 am
“ere is my opinion on the logo – When I opened this blog after a long absence, I was shocked – Logo branding is a key element and something you are remembered by – it is your image…. Now I am focusing my remarks on the author’s work and NOT as a person – regardless of whether he is a good person or not – I will give my honest opinion…. There are LOT of talented people out there – I have NOT seen all the other submissions, but I have a very hard time, knowing some people on GMC having amazing skills, to believe that there hasn’t been anything better than this ! We are talking about a generous prize here – prize tha should go to someone who used talent, skill, ORIGINALITY and effort, not to mention creativity…. Sorry to say, this logo is NOT worth the $250 prize, and quite frankly mate I think you should take back your $250 – Absolutely no effort and originality and zero creativity ! He used the SAFE approach. Game Maker using a font that is not exactly too appealing…. gear, to simplistic, and the smiley – merely a cut and paste job – I reckon I’ve seen this same smiley – In other words, typing text usin a font, slapping a smiley inside a gear, I could have done this myself in 2 minutes – no effort whatsoever. The smiley is way over the top – it is fun to create games, but a wide open mouth, sorry, way over the top – Game Maker should NOT only target kids and kindergarden but general population, those who are not into programming whatsoever, and this logo does not truely represent this – very poor choice – and to think that this won $250 !!! bloody hell – I’m shocked – you mean to tell me that you have not received anything better than this ? impossible. GameMaker is about talent…skills…..creativity…originality…..it’s not just about drag and drop and make any crappy game….the logo certainly does NOT represent game maker’s values. Sorry this logo is abysmal ! People saying they will stop using game maker because of it – LOL – you’re being silly. a brand / logo leaves a lasting impression on a company. This mates, will certainly leave an impression alright – a big laughing joke ! It was always said that originality/creativity makes good games – obviously the owners don’t think it applies to branding. What a shame. 0/10 for originality 0/10 for creativity 0/10 for efforts Mark, Sandy, you both made a very big mistake in judgement choosing this logo ! this worries me because I know there will be thousands of sprites and rsources bundled with GM8 – I hope we can expect something decent there”
Mark was not part of this at all, I’m pretty sure.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:31 am
What makes you so sure of that, Starrior Games? I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he did have something to do with it. He’s part of YoYo Games and he probably did have something to do with the design of GM8, so why wouldn’t he have been given a vote for the new logo?
December 8th, 2009 at 12:33 am
I hate to say it, but I don’t think Sandy cares… if he did, he probably would have responded more than just 3 times… out of the 1170+ comments that are on here…
December 8th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Let me get this straight…
Sandy wants to change the logo because he’s traumatized of a childhood experience where he was hit in the head with a hammer??!
That’s downright retarded. The old logo was fine!
However, this logo suits this company perfectly now: both are unprofessional.
I am very disappointed with YYG right now. A professional program in unprofessional hands, truely.
December 8th, 2009 at 6:15 am
I strongly dislike Sandy’s choice for the new logo. I appreciate A.Z.’s effort though. My favorite is ( http://indy.idhost.kz/logo/2.jpg ).
How does a logo look like a program?
even though @sandy, the hammer logo has reminded me of the Soviet Union flag also.
@LoopStan, What do you mean by the new logo looks like an exact replica of Game Creator? It doesn’t even have a logo yet, I’ve only put a couple months of work into it, it’s nowhere near released yet
Anyway, time for bed. Gotta get up for work in 5 hours. Night. Sorry for my late comment.
December 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Hey Sandy, me again
The voting`s all done over on the GMC & I think everyone`s really happy with how smoothly that went (& how Fred held it all together really well).
I`m sure Fred will be passing you on the various winners shortly, but I`d just like to link you to a sheet of all variants from my design (a few near the end here were more Fred`s evolutionary branch). I imagine you`ll be making your decision soon, & possibly you want to have as few options on the table as possible, but & feel it`s best to give you the chance to see *all* the options centered around this particular cog shape + smiley design.
Personally I`m still strongly in favor of that “combination” Logo I put forward in this topic eariler – so I`ve cleaned that up here.
I think the sheet shows the evolution well & just how close the final image is to Albert`s original concept.
The “combination” Logo (the final 2 with text there at the end of the sheet under the line) are what I personally feel is the strongest Logo to come from all the suggestions.
It`s a combo of Albert`s tweaked restyled text, my cog shape (which I feel matches/compliments the color widths in the text & YoYoGames Logo best, & has the most “visual impact” because all cog teeth lines radiate straight out from the center of the image, rather than at various angles), Fred`s branch of the smiley (I think others contributed there also, possibly “brod”?), & Sindarin`s curved shine across the top (& 6_9`s “tilt” suggestion that adds a sense of movement there at the very end).
That`s all, just wanted to bring the final image to your attention, & have my say before the decision is made; & show side by side how well the exact matching pallette colors “work” alongside the YOYOGames Logo for strong brand unity. (The final Combo Logo images here were not part of the voting process on GMC because it`s actually just a subtle variant/combo of 2 options & I can fully understand Fred`s logic there in trying not to confuse/swamp the vote).
Anyway, at the end of the day the decision comes down to you & Albert I guess, so I wanted to clearly present this for your consideration.
Thanks for looking!
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6489/gmclogosheetsuggestiond.png
December 8th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Thx to everyone who provided feedback.
I’ll let you know before the end of the week if I decide to make any changes.
December 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
game over for GM
that new logo everyone voted for is good, but I don’t like it enough to use it. I’ll still stick with GM7 ball and hammer.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
For those who truely refuse to use anything but the ball an hammer, you can also create a shortcut for Game Maker, right click, go to the shortcut tab, and click the change icon button to make it look however you want. This is for windows XP, the other windows will do it, but I don’t know the process.
I will simply state I don’t understand people who intend to keep the old logo, but that’s a personal decision I guess.
December 9th, 2009 at 1:06 am
I just have to say, about Sandy not liking hammers because he got hit over the head with one, Game Maker does not like smileys because THEY were hit over the head with one as soon as Sandy chose the new logo.
December 9th, 2009 at 2:18 am
In a polite way, Sandy.
Not picking dadio’s logo, in my mind, makes you a complete moron, and I’m sure many people would agree, and you certainly wouldn’t be recieving my money.
Because I won’t be using software which doesn’t take itself seriously and wishes to be a joke.
I guess the two years studying C++ so far will finally be put to use, the only reason I use Game Maker is because it’s so damn fast and easy to make games in, as aposed to the tedious REAL programming, but… everything comes to an end. This may be the end, sadly, for Game Maker.
December 9th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Jeez will you wait for the actual decision before you complain about it?
December 9th, 2009 at 4:28 am
YEAH! Truly! But totally, staff, try to make you decision quick and smart, who knows how many others will quit if you wait till the end of the week!
December 9th, 2009 at 8:26 am
900 petition signers now, hurry up and make your decision. I want gamemaker 8 to be out already, because i lost my code for GM7 pro when i reinstalled windows, so I’ll just buy a new one for GM8.
Dadio’s logo or the one posted by joshwyant91 are my favourites.
@George: I don’t think gamemaker will end, but if sandy changes the logo to a better one, it will be a fresh new start from the people who haven’t left Yoyogames yet.
December 9th, 2009 at 10:05 am
If somebody is so shallow that they refuse to use a fantastic game builder based on a logo then good riddance because it is unlikely they would have contributed anything of depth and significance to the indie community. As long as GM continues to get better then I couldn’t care less what the logo is.
December 10th, 2009 at 12:44 am
…well, there’s a new logo.
Everybody can shut up now.
(Finally. I was afraid we might make 1500.)
December 10th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Leaving a tool because of its logo is idiotic, IMO.
I never argued here about this, but about the impact, this logo might(!) has on GM8 and its future.
Also, I am a bit disappointed how Sandy handled this stuff altogether… (but that’s my problem)
December 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I spent a week or two trying to come up with something that would compliment this logo, but nothing came to mind. So im just gonna say it how its is: This logo is ugly and it has NOTHING to do with game maker. Thanks for actually listening to the community and choosing a different logo. That goes a long way.
December 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
I agree. The new logo is an improvement on the suggested one. I am sad though to see the old logo go. I have been using this amazing since 4.x.
December 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
“sorry folks” i meant “amazing since 4.x”
December 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
bloody heck i’ve just gone gaga. “AMAZING TOOL SINCE 4.3″
December 10th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Some people have said that people are leaving because the logo is “idiotic”, but having it on their desktop won’t cause them much harm. However I think that they are leaving because the logo changes the feel of Game Maker making it feel less professional, it may also deter potential new contributors from joining. If the PS3 or Xbox 360 was completely pink and covered in smileys do think as many people would buy it?
December 11th, 2009 at 12:18 am
It’s a FAKE!
Get on with your life!
December 12th, 2009 at 2:38 am
hehe, it came too late, but here is the anti-smiley game.
http://www.yoyogames.com/games/show/106511
Yeah, i shoulda finished it sooner… don’t ban me…
December 17th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
“we wanted a logo that was modern, clean and that reflected the fun and excitement that we feel is there for poeple who MAKE as well as PLAY games”
Damnit thats just stupid, say it again while looking at the logo.
I actually wanted to suggest making GM look more serious, probably we can have two different logos for lite and pro versions? This way we’ll still regard the author of the logo as well the ‘audience’
December 21st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
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December 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 am
this is the best logo in the world! well done albert zak!
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 am
Hey guys I made a logo for the next Game maker (besides Game maker
that is going to have a different logo. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4949/logosudgestion.png
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:07 am
Hey guys I made a logo for the next Game maker ( besides Game maker 8 ) that is going to have a different logo. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4949/logosudgestion.png
December 24th, 2009 at 3:50 am
I’m have the assassination all planned out for Albert Zak. No one will know at all!
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